Guys, I'm not a huge user of sonar, I just basically use it to record midi from the reason 3 synth and export it as a wav. I don't edit from it nor, add effects, I've plenty other plug ins I can use. In other words, it doesn't have to have all the whistles & bangs with it and be able to cook the dinner while you have a nap. I suppose you could say I'm a low end user who just needs to record midi from reason