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Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? #338666 03/01/16 03:47 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 50 Torrance, CA, USA B BillSincl OP Enthusiast
OP BillSincl Enthusiast B Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 50 Torrance, CA, USA	It used to be, when I selected "Print song-chords and melody," I could get a nice lead sheet that any instrument could read. Now what it gives me is something entirely useless. It puts a bunch of chords all over the melody line. The top note of the chord does not even correspond with the melody note I originally had. So NO ONE can make use of it any longer. Why would a tenor sax, vocalist or trumpet player want this ? Its just a confused MESS......... Furthermore, some of the chord notes are WRONG - they don't match the chord that I used. Maybe you have good programmers there - but how about getting people that know something about music ? Is there any way to get a regular lead sheet like we had before ? Wm. S. Sinclair

Re: Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? BillSincl #338672 03/01/16 06:33 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,035 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,035 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Your post is puzzling. I haven't experienced any change in the ability of BIAB to print lead sheets. Would it be possible for you to post some screen shots of your song, or post the song itself, and then post a JPG of what your lead sheet looks like so we could see what you are talking about? BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

Re: Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? BillSincl #338674 03/01/16 08:05 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,316 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,316 Melbourne, Australia	Working perfectly here. What version of BiaB? What happens if you select Print Notation form the Notation window? Is that also problematic? Re: Originally Posted By: BillSincl Maybe you have good programmers there - but how about getting people that know something about music ? I actually have to presume that the programmers know a good bit about music. BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? Matt Finley #338676 03/01/16 08:41 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 824 REDLAND BAY, Qld., AUSTRALIA Graham Martin Expert
Graham Martin Expert Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 824 REDLAND BAY, Qld., AUSTRALIA	I am having problems making any kind of a lead sheet myself using either the Print Notation button or the Leadsheet Window. The problem only occurred since taking the last update 432. After making the entries for the type of lead sheet you need, when you press the OK 'Preview Graphics button', the program freezes and you get an Access Violation 007AB4B6 in module 'bbw-exe'. Next you get a crash report to fill in for support - which I did twice. Even though the program has crashed it is almost impossible to get rid of the crash advice notes and start again. One has to resort to CTRL ALT DEL to get out. There is something terribly wrong here and without the ability to produce lead sheet, Band-in-a-Box is useless to me. I can appreciate the OP frustration at not being able to produce lead sheets and would suggest that part of his problem may be that he has not killed off that new feature of putting lyrics on the chord sheet. It took me a lot of effort to remove those popup notes from my normal work pattern and get back to using the program for the purposes I always have - with NOTE lyrics! If you can find the menu items - sorry, but that's another frustration. The current menus do not make any sense to me with multi layers that require many extra clicks to achieve something that was very straightforward before. For reference, I use Audiophile version with Build 432 on an external Hard Drive on a Windows 7 computer. Grah Jive Talk "Don't worry baby, they'll swing their arses off."

Re: Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? BillSincl #338681 03/01/16 09:35 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,832 Australia Noel96 Veteran
Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,832 Australia	The printing process works ok for me (Win 7, 64 bit). I suggest trying the following... 1. Return to factory settings and restart BIAB for the settings to load. 2. If the problem persists, download update 431 (from here) and install it. This will take BIAB back to the previous update (which I'm assuming was working). This way, you shouldn't be disadvantaged in relation to printing music while PG Music tweak build 432. MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2025 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? BillSincl #338696 03/02/16 02:55 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 50 Torrance, CA, USA B BillSincl OP Enthusiast
OP BillSincl Enthusiast B Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 50 Torrance, CA, USA	I dont see any way to attach a file. How is that done ? I am using BIAB 2014. I dont understand why anyone who says they know music, Would ever give us something so DUMB. Last edited by BillSincl; 03/02/16 03:00 AM. Wm. S. Sinclair

Re: Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? BillSincl #338699 03/02/16 03:30 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 697 Canada DEddy Journeyman
DEddy Journeyman Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 697 Canada	Switch to Full Reply Screen, at the bottom is File Manager. DE Win 10, 64 bit, love my Lenovo T420, BIAB 2019 (613), RB 2019 (2) Short term memory is getting shorter.

Re: Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? BillSincl #338704 03/02/16 04:47 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,035 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,035 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Bill, I do not doubt you are having a problem. I hope you can provide us with specifics. The difficulty we may have is that everyone else in this thread has upgraded to version 2016, so we will have a difficult time verifying your problem even when we get to understand it clearly. May I suggest you contact PG Music Support, who do have a version 2014 (and tell them which build you are on - Help, About). For what it's worth, my experience as a music prof and a pro musician for well over 50 years is that PG Music does indeed have an excellent grasp of music theory. BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

Re: Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? BillSincl #338706 03/02/16 05:35 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,672 Pensacola, Florida jford Veteran
jford Veteran Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,672 Pensacola, Florida	You said you are using version 2014 and that it used to work. So what changed? Did you apply a patch to the working version (hopefully not the build 432 patch, as that is specifically for BIAB 2016)? Or perhaps a Windows update messed with it. Which version of Windows are you using? It's weird that it was working but stopped working, especially if nothing changed with the program. As has been said, if you switch to the Full Reply Screen, you can post JPG images of what you are seeing. You will not be able to upload an SGU or MGU file, however. For that, you'll need to upload it to something like DropBox, and then post a link to the file. I don't know if I can get to it today, but I think I still have 2014 loaded in a virtual machine, so I can take a look at it (and if you can post the file giving you problems, that will help). John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 2x2TB, 1x4TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 2x1.5TB, 2x2TB, 1x4TB SATA BB2025/UMC404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/MixBus/Notion/Finale/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com

Re: Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? jford #338718 03/02/16 08:18 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 50 Torrance, CA, USA B BillSincl OP Enthusiast
OP BillSincl Enthusiast B Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 50 Torrance, CA, USA	I cannot do a "full reply,: my only choice is "reply." BTW, is there a way to select a more friendly password? If you have an E-mail, I can send you a a file of the crappy lead sheet I keep getting. Wm. S. Sinclair

Re: Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? DEddy #338719 03/02/16 08:33 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 50 Torrance, CA, USA B BillSincl OP Enthusiast
OP BillSincl Enthusiast B Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 50 Torrance, CA, USA	Ok, here is what it produces - It messes up the melody, since the melody is buried inside these big fat chords. In my 50 years in the music biz, I have never seen anything that looks like this - - Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Sanova Beach.JPG (106.52 KB, 108 downloads) Screwed up lead sheet Wm. S. Sinclair

Re: Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? BillSincl #338720 03/02/16 08:37 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 50 Torrance, CA, USA B BillSincl OP Enthusiast
OP BillSincl Enthusiast B Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 50 Torrance, CA, USA	It also destroyed the rhythm of the melody, because it put a new melody (chord) every time there was a new chord. And someone asserts that the programmers know something about music? Really ? Wm. S. Sinclair

Re: Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? BillSincl #338721 03/02/16 08:49 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,035 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,035 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	I agree, upon printing a large-sized version of this printout, that there are several musical theory errors here, but it's so hard to see that I'm not completely sure. Now, how did you create this? Could you give the exact steps you followed in BIAB to create this leadsheet? I ask because I've never seen anything that looked like this. Was this a song you created in BIAB, or perhaps an imported file from elsewhere? BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

Re: Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? BillSincl #338724 03/02/16 09:48 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 50 Torrance, CA, USA B BillSincl OP Enthusiast
OP BillSincl Enthusiast B Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 50 Torrance, CA, USA	I think I got this resolved. Apparently the MIDI file I used to insert the melody got corrupted. So even though it was set to "single track," it still allows other stuff to get stuck in there without warning us. Thanks for your attention ! ! Last edited by BillSincl; 03/02/16 09:49 AM. Wm. S. Sinclair

Re: Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? BillSincl #338730 03/02/16 10:40 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,035 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,035 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	That's great. Perhaps you could edit the subject heading to say "Solved"? Other people do look at these forums, and the musical ability of PG Music staff was never an issue here. BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

Re: Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? Noel96 #338751 03/02/16 02:40 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 824 REDLAND BAY, Qld., AUSTRALIA Graham Martin Expert
Graham Martin Expert Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 824 REDLAND BAY, Qld., AUSTRALIA	Thanks for your suggestions Noel. I tried your suggestion '1.' and the program still crashed when trying to Preview or Print a lead sheet, either with the Print notation button or the Leadsheet window button. When I tried your suggestion '2.' and went back to the previous update 431 everything returned to normal and I am back in production. My conclusion is that there is something radically wrong with the print function as far a lead sheets are concerned when it comes to my setup, which is the same as yours as far as the basics are concerned - Win 7, 64 bit. I guess the lesson learned is not to take new Updates until the bugs have been discovered. I am just a bit surprised that nobody else has encountered my problem. Grah Jive Talk "Don't worry baby, they'll swing their arses off."

Re: Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? BillSincl #338785 03/02/16 07:53 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,832 Australia Noel96 Veteran
Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,832 Australia	Glad to read it's working Graham. One of the great things about BIAB updates is that it's very simple to return to the previous update if needed. Updates are beta tested and when they are released into the public arena they've gone through many tests and many people. Given the tens of thousands of possibilities for computer configuration (operating system, CPU, hardware, firmware, etc.), I can't see how it would be possible for beta testing to cover every possible set up situation that BIAB might be exposed to. For this reason, when an update is released, it enters the phase of gamma testing (at least that's what I think of it as). This is the last hurdle and the most demanding testing. Thousands of people will put the software build through it's paces. That #432 didn't work properly for you is valuable information for PG Music. Your experience will help refine the software even more I encourage you to keep on trying updates when they're first released and, if they don't work properly, simply revert to the previous build after letting PG Music know about the problem. All the best, Noel MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2025 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? BillSincl #338787 03/02/16 07:58 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,832 Australia Noel96 Veteran
Noel96 Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 19,832 Australia	Originally Posted By: Matt Finley That's great. Perhaps you could edit the subject heading to say "Solved"? Other people do look at these forums, and the musical ability of PG Music staff was never an issue here. I sympathise with Bill. It's very frustrating when things don't go according to plan. I hope he can appreciate that it's often very challenging to solve a problem like his when not all the details are supplied. Had he said at the outset that it involved a third-party midi file (alarm bells are already ringing) and BIAB 2014, I suspect that he may have achieved resolution much, much earlier. It reminds me of the saying "The devil is in the detail". MY SONGS... Audiophile BIAB 2025 audios on Soundcloud

Re: Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? Noel96 #338788 03/02/16 08:06 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 824 REDLAND BAY, Qld., AUSTRALIA Graham Martin Expert
Graham Martin Expert Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 824 REDLAND BAY, Qld., AUSTRALIA	Originally Posted By: Noel96 Glad to read it's working Graham. One of the great things about BIAB updates is that it's very simple to return to the previous update if needed. I encourage you to keep on trying updates when they're first released and, if they don't work properly, simply revert to the previous build after letting PG Music know about the problem. All the best, Noel After 15 years of using Band-in-a-Box you might find it surprising that I did not know that! But I don't think I have experienced such a bad result from an update previously. It was such a relief to get it back working properly in my primary area of use i.e. Lead sheets and arrangements in all keys and clefs for the musos in the band. Grah Jive Talk "Don't worry baby, they'll swing their arses off."

Re: Cannot make lead sheet anymore ???? Graham Martin #338831 03/03/16 06:56 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 15,831 PeterGannon PG Music Staff
PeterGannon PG Music Staff Joined: May 2000 Posts: 15,831	Hi Graham, We've spotted that error, and it will be fixed in the next build. For now, you should open the leadsheet window first, and then print. Have Fun! Peter Gannon PG Music Inc.

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