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Hello from france
I wrote a song using 925 piano
Piano, Acoustic, Rhythm Bossa Ev 110
Medium-Slow Bossa played on acoustic piano with a light touch, utilizing sophisticated voicings.
The song is written in G
The singer ask me do transpose it 3 half step up, which I did, but then the arrangement of the piano is totally different and didn't fit with my melody anymore.
Is there a way to transpose the song keepin the same piano part ?
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Did you Freeze the tracks before doing the transpose?
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Yup...every time you regenerate such as when a transpose is done, the parts will be similar but sometimes that ends up being different as well, from what you had gotten used to.
Since a rhythm piano isn't a lead, you might try freezing the other tracks if you like them and regen that piano part a few times. Listen to each new version and when you find one that you can work with, freeze it.
Normally, a rhythm part will work with just about any singer and any melody. Try the regen to get something that's close again.
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Sucrepop, another possibility is to move the song to a DAW and transpose it there. If your DAW does not have a transpose feature then use the free Audacity program. Sometimes moving audio 3 half steps works but sometimes it adds artifacts. They only way to know is to try it.
A second possibility would be to use the MIDI transcript, if there is one, and save the MIDI version of the piano to a DAW. Then transpose everything in BiaB, copy all tracks but the piano track to the DAW then transpose the MIDI piano track. This is very easy to do in MIDI, just highlight the entire piano track and move the notes up 3 half steps.
Good luck.
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Or.... find the proper key that your singer needs first, and then start building the song. That is the very first thing I do when I'm working with a singer, including myself. Once the key is good, then you start working on the tracks for the song....and they're all in the proper key to start with. No transposing needed. Here's an example from my studio... I wrote this song and sang it in the key I needed. I approached a young lady to ask her to sing it.... I had to change the key for her. So naturally the song tracks were different. At some point, I was advised by a Nashville song screener to get a better singer with more emotion in her voice to present the song in it's best light.... so I did. Well, surprise, surprise, she couldn't sing it in the same key as the first singer so I couldn't use any of the musical tracks....She needed it about half a step different... Seriously? but yes, she insisted so here are the results. First singer: http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12024993Second singer: http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12024980Note that the song tracks are similar but there is a difference. At first we tend to want to stick with the first one because we have gotten to know it and "it's the way the song is supposed to sound"..... but I have changed my POV on that many years back. If you did it one time and it was good, if you do it a second time.... this time you can make it better. And I prefer the second singer's version of this song now. I no longer get concerned over any particular cool track..... but I have learned that if I hear something cool..... export it of freeze it before doing anything else.
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Thanks for all your answer.
@Tim Cook. No i didn't freeze the track
@Guitarhacker. I try to regenerate the piano part many times. It seems the part in G and the one in Bb are just totally different
As for you advice to record the song having the right key. Generally I can't because i don't know who will sing it in the end
The second version of Come & Go as my ^préférence, really good song by the way
@MarioD. I didn't try to transpose the part in G, 3 half step up will add artifact without doubt. I never use the midi transcript, 'i will see if there's one
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I suspect the parts are different because for RealTracks, you get the riff that was recorded closest to the chord you want and the performer played something different when he hit that chord.
Simplistically, when the RealTracks were recorded (as I understand it), as with UserTracks, it was recorded with a specific chord progression. So if the RealTrack was recorded using D-G-A-D, then if you've got a song that goes C-F-G-C, the RT engine is going to transpose the RT D chord down to C, then the G chord down to F, but then use the G chord, since it's already there and doesn't need transposing, and then of course transposing the D back down to C for the last chord.
If you decide to transpose your piece to the key of A (resulting in A-D-E-A, then the RT engine is going to use the A it already has, use the D it already has, transpose the D to an E for the next chord, and then use the A it already has. Obviously the riffs are now going to be in a different order than originally recorded. I'm pretty sure there is more intelligence in it, but hopefully this helps explain why you get a completely different arrangement when you transpose the song.
If you use a MIDI style, however, it processes it completely differently based on key-agnostic patterns (since everything is mapped to a C7 chord in the first place), so it is easier to get similar results by regenerating.
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