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In reading the forums, it seems many of the veteran users don't use Real Band. My impression may be wrong, and if it is, please let me know.
If I'm right, I am curious about the reasons. I want to strat recording my originals again but I don't want to start with Real Band if it has a lot of problems or significant limitations.
Comments? Thanks.
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Well, I for one, may be in the minority. But after using the software for over 5 years, I use RB exclusively for my songs. I rarely if ever open BIAB. I experience no problems and no issues with RB. Its flexibility using 40 some tracks, ability to regenerate sections of tracks and its ability to allow me to use RT's along with 4 hardware synths and multiple VSTi's are an advantage to me that BIAB cannot duplicate.
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2b,
Many users here have the following workflow:
1: Create the initial song in BiaB, chords, melody, structure, style etc.
2: Import it into RealBand for fine-tuning, adding additional tracks beyond BiaB's track limitation, regenerate only certain sections of the song rather than the entire song as BiB is limited to, etc.
3: Optionally, export the RB tracks to a different DAW for final mastering, mixing etc.
Many times, there's no need to go past Step 1.
So I think that many users start with BiaB, and take it to RealBand if required. Some might skip Step 2 all together.
Others will chip in with their work flow.
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Many of use had DAWs years before RealBand (RB) existed, RB is a late addition to Band-in-a-Box. I am a hobbyist who is very familiar with my DAW and I want to spend whatever time I have making music and not learning another DAW, YMMV.
But if you do not have a favorite DAW then RB is the one that you should learn. It is free and you already have it plus it integrates perfectly with BiaB.
Remember that you can not tell what DAW a person has used when listening to their songs.
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Many of use had DAWs years before RealBand (RB) existed, RB is a late addition to Band-in-a-Box. I am a hobbyist who is very familiar with my DAW and I want to spend whatever time I have making music and not learning another DAW, YMMV.
But if you do not have a favorite DAW then RB is the one that you should learn. It is free and you already have it plus it integrates perfectly with BiaB.
Remember that you can not tell what DAW a person has used when listening to their songs. +1 on what Mario said. Learning a DAW is very difficult, especially for flatulent old, badly bent Irishmen. We generally learn a comfortable workflow with whatever software we have at hand and avoid tackling a new, steep learning curve. I realize the convenience of RB (it is integral to BIAB, Windows Version) and I have set a personal goal to learn it this year.
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Hi all Well I guess it all a case of horses for courses. Personally my most used DAW is Sona, but then I have been using cakewalk since way back version 3.? . I also have a copy of the now unavailable Yamaha XG works this is still useful for working on my Yamaha keyboard files that still use X G voices and commands till this day. This is the only program I have that can work with Yamaha Styles on the PC and allows you to put in a chord progression and chose style parts Intro ,variation ending etc. With BIAB and Realband working seamlessly together I am quite well set up . Especially when you ad in NI Kontakt 5 and lots of libraries My other major learning curve was Ableton 8 live (lite) this is a completely different beast and came with my Novation Impulse 61 keyboard . This DAW is aimed at live DJ type work and allows you to launch clips on the fly from the drum pads on the keyboard while the project is running, amongst a whole host of other looping and sampling features . Not for the faint hearted this one.   Having fun, (must be the Mushrooms.) Mike
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Like the others, I learned another DAW first. I go back to Cakewalk Pro Audio, the precursor to SONAR.
I suppose I'm hoping that PG Music will add the ability to regenerate sections of a RealTrack to BIAB (like you can do in RealBand), and then I'd be all set.
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I suppose I'm hoping that PG Music will add the ability to regenerate sections of a RealTrack to BIAB (like you can do in RealBand), and then I'd be all set.
+1 on that, Matt! I love BIAB but really cannot get on with RB. It must be a 'veterans' thing but i just find it too hard to use. Too clunky. Its got to be me cos there are many RB users who get it to do their bidding. So I end up importing my BIAB wavs into a 14 year old DAW (Cakewalk GTPro2). Just my two penny worth. Ian
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I suppose I'm hoping that PG Music will add the ability to regenerate sections of a RealTrack to BIAB (like you can do in RealBand), and then I'd be all set.
Another big +1!
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I suppose I'm hoping that PG Music will add the ability to regenerate sections of a RealTrack to BIAB (like you can do in RealBand), and then I'd be all set.
Another big +1! Yes ! (Maybe we should be back over in the wishlist? Maybe, just maybe, it might happen one day)
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Ok, I just posted in the Wishlist. Please give it a boost if you agree. This wish would not take anything away from those who use RealBand, just give the same feature to BIAB users.
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You can do that. Allanah posted a song some years ago that had parts of over 20 RT's in it. You do it in the Bars window. I believe you put the cursor on the bar you want to start with in the chord grid, open the bars window, select the RT for the instrument track you want. If you don't change it then that RT will be generated from that point to the end of the song. But, if you go back to the chord grid, select the bar you want that RT to end, you then go back to the bars window and select something else from that new point forward and so on. It's the same process as changing styles in and out of certain bars. I remember her song was amazing.
Now, I'm not saying it's any easier to do this in Biab than it would be in RB. I love RB. All I'm saying is this has been possible in Biab since the first RT's were created.
As to the OP question, inmo there are two reasons why people don't use RB. The first has already been talked about. They've been using another DAW for years and don't want to take the time to learn another one. That's why PG created the ability to Drag and Drop tracks to other DAWs. The second reason is there are many, many users who just never looked at it. It's free, they think it's a little throw away or whatever they might think it is. Biab does what they want and that's it. It's only when they raise a question where the best answer is to use RB that they might get interested.
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You can do that. Allanah posted a song some years ago that had parts of over 20 RT's in it. You do it in the Bars window. I believe you put the cursor on the bar you want to start with in the chord grid, open the bars window, select the RT for the instrument track you want. If you don't change it then that RT will be generated from that point to the end of the song. But, if you go back to the chord grid, select the bar you want that RT to end, you then go back to the bars window and select something else from that new point forward and so on. It's the same process as changing styles in and out of certain bars. I remember her song was amazing.
Now, I'm not saying it's any easier to do this in Biab than it would be in RB. I love RB. All I'm saying is this has been possible in Biab since the first RT's were created.
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Intriguing. Bob, are you saying you choose the same RealTrack name at several points in the song, and it only regenerates the 'new' one? I'm not sure how this works. To make sure my request is clear, I want to have the same RealTrack throughout the song, but be able to regenerate only, say, bars 10-16 because the rest of the BIAB song is fine.
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I'm not a veteran, but I haven't used RealBand for the first couple of years because of the learning curve of BIAB.
Now I use BIAB for rapid prototyping and then RB for the finetuning. Depending on what I'm doing I use Reaper for further processing the final result, mainly because I don't want to [accidentally] mess with the already desired result of RB.
RealBand offers more visual information than BIAB while BIAB is faster when changing some detail of a tune. In RB for instance it is easier to add a RealTrack for just a couple of measures -- maybe because you want to have the rhythm guitar player to play a different style for a single chorus.
For about two years I say that I wish BIAB and RB grew together. Each has its strengths and weaknesses. I'm happy with both programs, but there are some things that should have the same look and feel in both programs.
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I'm glad I asked the question. The answers have been very helpful.
As for being able to generate the same RT for just a portion of the song, put me down for a +1. One of the reasons I have hesitated to use RTs is the few measures which just don't work for me. An easy way to get a few measures regenerated would be very helpful.
Thanks to all of you.
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First of all let me point out that there is more than one right way to use these tools. If the music is good, no matter what tools and/or what your work flow is, you are doing it right. Me? I like separate dedicated tools for different functions. My usual work flow is: - If there is an appropriate style, start the work in Band-in-a-Box
- Export to an old copy of Master Tracks Pro (I can't recommend the new edition - too buggy) where I can massage parts, add song specific licks, and do things that this tool does better than BiaB
- Import into Power Tracks Pro Audio to add audio parts
- Export everything as a WAV file
- Use CDex to make an mp3 file
There are variations of this theme. If I use Real Styles I'll go right to Power Tracks Pro Audio and skip Master Tracks Pro -- if there is no appropriate BiaB style I might start with MTPro, and so on. I find BiaB does auto-accompaniment with a few more features than Real Band, and I find Power Tracks Pro Audio to have more features than Real Band --- but that could be simply because I haven't used Real Band that much and simply don't know where to find them. Like some of the other posters, I've been using MTPro since the 1980s and Power Tracks since it came out. I'm comfortable with the programs and can work quickly with them (more hands on my instruments and less time with the computer). There might be better apps out there for me, but I know how to use these. It reminds me of this. The standard US QWERTY keyboard was designed to slow down the typist. In the early days the typewriters were slow, mechanical beasts and typists used to jam them by going too fast. The DVORAK keyboard is much, much quicker. In the early days of the PC, there was a software switch to convert your keyboard to the DVORAK system. Even though DVORAK is much faster, people stuck with QUERTY because they already knew how to use it, and although in the end DVORAK would be faster, until the learning curve was complete, it would be slower. In other words, instant gratification won. I've seen schemes to have transposing piano keyboards. That would make life easier for piano players. Unlike guitars, the scale has a different shape in every key. So for every major, minor, blues, pentatonic, etc. scale or mode you have to learn 12 different fingerings. A transposing piano keyboard would cut your work in a twelfth. But nobody embraced them because pianists and organists already knew the old system. Real Band and most of the other tools out today are far better than they were a decade ago. Great music was made on computers 25 years ago, so there isn't much for you to be concerned about. Try it, if it doesn't agree with you, or if you find it can't do something you want to do, investigate another option. Insights and incites by Notes
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I have been using BIAB for many years, and have yet to venture into Real Band. I have no other DAW, as perhaps I am still using the product as my musical accompaniment.
I regenerate every time I play, and if the notes are off a little, I don't really care. It would happen in any group from time to time.
I have never tried to tweak tracks, freeze them, or otherwise make for a better sound. I don't use DXI or DVI or any sound other than the basic wave tables supplied. I did try Coyote once but didn't notice any difference.
My process is to copy chords from the sheet music / fake book, find an appropriate style (swing or even) and add the melody. That's it. I don't record, or create recordings. It's not why I bought BIAB.
I do print off the fake sheet so that I can play along, but I let BIAB do the rest. Other than Real Drums, I rarely have any other real tracks, and have only recently started to use instruments other than bass and drums.
There is so much in BIAB that I don't use, but good luck to any who want to travel that route. But for me BIAB will always be a simple way to have a band available to play with whenever I want. Please don't make BIAB more complicated than it already is. If there is a need to keep it relevant in today's music world the please do it in Real Band or something new, and leave BIAB as a perfect accompaniment tool.
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I have been using BIAB for many years, and have yet to venture into Real Band. I have no other DAW, as perhaps I am still using the product as my musical accompaniment.
I regenerate every time I play, and if the notes are off a little, I don't really care. It would happen in any group from time to time.
I have never tried to tweak tracks, freeze them, or otherwise make for a better sound. I don't use DXI or DVI or any sound other than the basic wave tables supplied. I did try Coyote once but didn't notice any difference.
My process is to copy chords from the sheet music / fake book, find an appropriate style (swing or even) and add the melody. That's it. I don't record, or create recordings. It's not why I bought BIAB.
I do print off the fake sheet so that I can play along, but I let BIAB do the rest. Other than Real Drums, I rarely have any other real tracks, and have only recently started to use instruments other than bass and drums.
There is so much in BIAB that I don't use, but good luck to any who want to travel that route. But for me BIAB will always be a simple way to have a band available to play with whenever I want. Please don't make BIAB more complicated than it already is. If there is a need to keep it relevant in today's music world the please do it in Real Band or something new, and leave BIAB as a perfect accompaniment tool.
Dave, You make excellent points, however, I don't think the suggested improvements to RB would necessitate changes to your current workflow. BIAB is filling your needs perfectly. We often go a little beyond your requirements and finalize in various DAWs such as in creating albums for iTunes etc. where some tweaking may be required. RB is sufficiently robust to fill the bill but discouraging with it's "brick wall" learning curve. Don
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I see what you're saying and I don't know the answer if you're talking about the same RT I guess try it and see. You may know I'm a tax guy so I have zero time to test anything right now. Allanah was using many different RT's in different places and some were short like 4 bars or so. Maybe you could PM her.
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Thanks. Have fun with those returns, Bob, and don't give it another thought. I'm just interested in learning about new features when someone mentions them, but nothing urgent. I'll try to do some experiments. If this really works, I think it's a big deal.
I'm not so inexperienced with tax returns either. At one point I was doing 25 a year just for the immediate family, in four states. Not fun.
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Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
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