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Hola Carlos,
Increible cancion amigo, tu tecnica es excelente y tambien el sonido de grabacion. Tienes otro cancions?
Saludos de Acapulco maestro!
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Hola Carlos, Wow! Great playing, and thanks for making such a great video. >> I recorded this video playing my Epiphone Joe Pass guitar, a GK3 midipickup and Roland GI-20 as example of simultaneous audio MIDI recording in Band in a Box 2009.5. That's great MIDI tracking you get from the GK3/Roland guitar, Also, is the guitar display accurate as well? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VxCPlfV1lA --------------------
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You are one talented musician brother.
Everything about that video was first class stuff.
Thanks for sharing with us, I appreciate it !!!
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Wow, great video. If you don't mind me asking, how did you record the BiaB notation window? How did you overlay it on your video? Thanks.
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Saludos... Very very impressive work, amigo! We want more.
Especially impressive since less than a week ago, you didn't even know the software could do this. It's been a very productive week. Now, perhaps, you are on your way to becoming a paid consultant for PG Music, making demo videos. (That's actually a serious suggestion).
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I thought that was great...and was superimpressed with the tracking of the GI-20...I have the GR-20 with the GK3 pickup...
so thats just as you recorded it in...no editing...?
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Carlos: Hubba, Hubba, Hubba....and the treatment you give your great tune, Mina Sambinha with the Godin is studpendous...at first I thought you were playing my GR-303....but you've got one hell of a state of the art midi Goody-Godin guitar there! You know the GR-303 is all mahogany, which makes the two-humbucker "electric" sound magificient, too. You've "nailed BIAB with CLEAN midi guitar technique" my man!!!....no wonder Peter has flipped over your talent, as you recorded BIAB live with that great synthisized piano, stings, flute!! That looks like a Yamaha Motif, you are using for a digital sound source!?? Carlos...you have some major guitar chops...fusion, latin, whatever!! Midi guitar has always been my favorite...I started out--and kept--the GR303 (Metheny) and the GM70 converter. The tracking on the new units is very good...the tracking on the 303/70 is still pretty good with clean technique, which is always a huge factor in success.  here's a shortcut to the Carlos Arellano website: it's a dandy, for latin and jazz ears: http://www.carlosarellano.com/music/ 
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Great video and playing-my compliments!
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Hola Carlos,
Wow! Great playing, and thanks for making such a great video.
>> I recorded this video playing my Epiphone Joe Pass guitar, a GK3 midipickup and Roland GI-20 as example of simultaneous audio MIDI recording in Band in a Box 2009.5.
That's great MIDI tracking you get from the GK3/Roland guitar,
Also, is the guitar display accurate as well?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VxCPlfV1lA
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Hola Peter,
Thanks Peter, your welcome, make of this kind of video is pleasure, further there is lot of fun when an interesting subject is implied.
I have two guitars ready for MIDI, the Epiphone Joe Pass with a Roland GK3 pickup and a Godin xtSA with Synth Access and built-in 13 pin connector providing direct access to all Roland GR-Series synths, this Godin guitar is constructed with MIDI in mind, RMS acoustic transducer, dense woods a la Les Paul for tons of sustain, mahogany neck and ebony fingerboard assure an excelent note tracking for MIDI conversion at first start. In this video I use the xtSA Godin and BiaB.
While a guitar with a GK3 don´t have the adventages of devoted synth ready guitars like Godin, it is perfectly possible to set a very decent system taking care of some aspects. The placement, curve and string height of Gk3 pickup in my Epiphone is a critical factor, I set it to 1.0 mm (check image) , also the GK-3 has an adjustment screw that allows adjust the pickup to match the natural arc (radius) of the guitar's fingerboard. Another important thing is to get the most careful configuration possible and settings of Roland GI-20 GK MIDI Interface, sometimes it require lot of tweaking before obtain a acceptable response. But definitely a decisive factor rest in the technique side of player, a clean, controlled and accurate playing style is a must, many informal rock guitar players hate or feel uncomfortable with MIDI guitars cause lack of accurate picking or clumsy fingering. Some tricks also apply, for example in the video you can see I did a variation on octaves playing technique, I did play it by picking the low string with thumb and octave with middle finger since "Wes" only thumb hit can cause a false triggering or ghost note from the mute string beetwen octaves, it can result in three notes in the score instead two.
I can see Band in a Box does a very good and mainly a true representation of notation from MIDI input, but MIDI guitar is not a perfect world, therefore can be false triggers and ghost notes depending of factors like string sensitivity, decay time, sustain, string bending set to chromatic, not to continuous, wrong finger pressure can cause false triggers or out of tune chords. Also muscular tension can be a issue if you play on the fingerboard with too much enthusiasm affecting the pitch detection. In this test I was amazed because after recording I found very little MIDI `dirtiness´, not extra edit was need except for some stuck notes and ghost notes whit low velocity values therefore inaudible. Considering I play some faster passages, which can end in MIDI inaccuracy, Band in a Box can considered a helpful recording tool for average normal playing from MIDI guitar.
Carlos
Some pics of Epiphone Joe Pass with Roland GK3 and Godin xtSA
Pic 1 Pic 2 Pic 3 Pic 4
Pic 5 Pic 6 (xtSA)
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Hi Wiz, thanks, as I expose in my last reply, a little edit was implied, it was more about to clean some low velocity and inaudible ghost and false notes. Score accuracy is not perfect, but considering it happen mostly in faster passages I can conclude the test was a decent success . About GI-20 I refer some also in last reply here to Peter Ganon. Furtherly my advise, tweak...tweak...tweak...your GR-20 until you get the best personal approach, and save your settings. This is a extra video capture (5 mb. rar archive) I make from Band in a Box song I recorded for detailed listening and graphic reference purpose in the MIDI accuracy, there are guitar normal electric audio output and MIDI playing using a acoustic piano sound while pianoroll edition windows display the MIDI data, the rest of instrument is muted. Saludos
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Yes I agree - styles and solos please from this very talented musician. Fabulous!!
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Godin and PGmusic, two Canadian companies in the hands of a talented guy from South America, and a great result.
Seems Mr. Gannon and he should team up and send the video to Godin.
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Excellent  Nice video, great guitar playing
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Thanks GDaddy. Oh yes.. GR-303 is a great electric guitar too! I could love to get one, you are done man with it and your GM70...wow!, Metheny heaven there , congratulations. About my xtsa, this Godin bring the best of three worlds in one piece, versatil electric, decent acoustic and great MIDI, all that without affect the national budget , Godin xtSA is a little over $1K,incredible since easily you can think of a guitar over $3K when you hold it in your hands! the top of line model LGXT is near to $2K but aside of cost unreachable to me at the moment, the LGXT is two humbucker, I prefer the versatility of my xtSA with MIDI, H/S/H pickup configuration plus split coil functionality I did add by myself with a push-pull pot and a little of home-luthiering. About flute sounds I use Steinberg Hypersonic as my VSTi in Band in a Box, it sound very well and have a broad sound palette available, while is not a exactly a sampler library, Hypersonic is half sampler and half a synthesizer, I love the freedom that bring to me, drum sounds are pretty decent mainly after some custom tweaks, however Real Drums does arrive as the definitive medicine for weak midi drums, specially the supremely recorded and performed TerryClarke series..WOW!!. I have little experience in Real Tracks, I barely use the first one bundled in the BiaB entry pack of the local recording radio studio where I work, but give the impressive online demos the jazz/funk/rock/pop series have to be fantastic, I am saving for get them! Tropical salutes amigo! 
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You said in part: "...I barely use the first one bundled in the BiaB entry pack of the local recording radio studio where I work, but give the impressive online demos the jazz/funk/rock/pop series have to be fantastic, I am saving for get them!" I suggest that Peter Gannon, who reads these forums fastidiously, will take care of getting you really "set up"...and perhaps even utilize your skills in "other ways", too! Hint, hint!! After listening to you, I certainly am a "done man"!! Just kidding, of course, but I should be a better guitar player and less a jazz singer! Your participation here, as well as your fine website are so "listenable", jazz and latin influenced with that great latin rhythming going on. I just mentioned you and your great playing/BIAB-midi-performance link on this PG forum, to the guys over at Yahoo's own forum group, jazzguitar.... and I'm sure many great guitarists over there will be visiting here and also your website. If you never have thought about joining the Yahoo forum, or haven't visited recently, I believe you would be welcome with widely open arms!! There are BIAB/RealBand/PowerTracks users on this mentioned Yahoo group site...and there are quite a few that continue to shine in the real world of live jazz guitar playing. Thanks for your kind words. Metheny will be coming back to Florida shortly, where his "formal education" took place. My what this guy did to bring jazz fusion to the attention of the world! He'll be performing at the University with his straight-ahead-jazz congregation, and I wouldn't be surprised if he slings along his old GR-303 (Do you remember had this guitar modified to "control" his Fairlight Synth) along with his using it as a straight-ahead jazz-"ax". He is on a nation-wide tour right now. I hope to catch him play. Keep on grooving my man, you are a genuine "PRO".... ..nice to have you here!!  
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Thanks so much to all you, every one, for nice words and compliments. I think everyone of you deserve twice as well. Muchas gracias!
Carlos Now some more answers: Quote:
pwarren wrote: Wow, great video. If you don't mind me asking, how did you record the BiaB notation window? How did you overlay it on your video? Thanks.
Thanks pwareen. I use SnagIt, a nice capture utility that let you to select the visual area on screen, it make image and video captures equally. After I add the captured video in a Sony Vegas Video project where are the rest of videos, I use a Sony Handycam camera for "real" videos, then I add effects, transitions, text generators, edits and audio mix imported from Band in a Box for producing the final video.
Saludos amigo.
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Brallan wrote: Saludos... Very very impressive work, amigo! We want more.
Especially impressive since less than a week ago, you didn't even know the software could do this. It's been a very productive week. Now, perhaps, you are on your way to becoming a paid consultant for PG Music, making demo videos. (That's actually a serious suggestion).
Brad
Thanks Brad. From 3 years ago I knew BiaB could do MIDI/Audio recording, but when I did try it first time in version 2008 it didn´t work, I had more than one year of having notified in forum , I am glad of Peter Ganon and PGmusic team taken charge of that and solved it. I am actually on my first formal "job" for PGMusic as moderator of spanish forum. I am really SO proud! it is an honour for me. Thanks again friend. Saludos.
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Hola Carlos,
Increible cancion amigo, tu tecnica es excelente y tambien el sonido de grabacion. Tienes otro cancions?
Saludos de Acapulco maestro!
Ed
Hi Ed, gracias amigo, excusame que olvide contestarte! . Si tengo mas temas y canciones en mi sitio web, si gustas visitarlo es www.carlosarellano.com ..... gracias de nuevo y que disfrutes de ese hermoso lugar llamado Acapulco.
Hi Ed, thanks friend, I apologize, I forgot to reply you before! Yes, I have more music in my web site, if you like visit at www.carlosarellano.com , again thanks and enjoy that wonderful place ...Acapulco!
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Hi Carlos: For all of us English-only speaking fans of yours.... I think all of the PG BIAB/RealBand clients who have enjoyed your "work" and "results" using this software, would like to hear from you too.... "I am actually on my first formal "job" for PGMusic as moderator of spanish forum. I am really SO proud! it is an honour for me. Thanks again friend. Saludos." Will your efforts and contributions to PG Music's Latin Market promotion also include your continued real-time "back-and-forth", with an English translation here on PG's "English Central"?? That is probably what we all hope for, and we ALL, I think, share a mutual interest in just how you personally progress in handling technical and creative approaches to these wonderful products. Congratulations to Peter Gannon for hiring you to boost PG's Latin business promotion!! Soludos from the new users of these products, and hope you'll be used to further "our" enjoyment and enlightenment as to just what are all the possibilities as you see it, from your talented viewpoint, perspectives and talent!! 
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