The problem could be related to the fact that you have a tempo of 90 bpm and the Realtrack is designed for optimum performance at 110 bpm. The tempo of 90 bpm is at the lower end of recommended tempos for your RT.
Slowing the tempo requires stretching the RT audio file and the more it's slowed, the greater the stretching. This sometimes introduces audio artifacts. To avoid this, PG Music invented auto-substitution where RTs better suited to a given tempo are loaded in place of what is in the style loaded.
With the above in mind, click on the Sax icon and then select "Realtrack Preferences". Now deactivate the top auto-substitute option shown below.
The problem could be related to the fact that you have a tempo of 90 bpm and the Realtrack is designed for optimum performance at 110 bpm. The tempo of 90 bpm is at the lower end of recommended tempos for your RT.
Slowing the tempo requires stretching the RT audio file and the more it's slowed, the greater the stretching. This sometimes introduces audio artifacts. To avoid this, PG Music invented auto-substitution where RTs better suited to a given tempo are loaded in place of what is in the style loaded.
With the above in mind, click on the Sax icon and then select "Realtrack Preferences". Now deactivate the top auto-substitute option shown below.
Does this help?
Regards, Noel
I replicated his sgu file this morning using the same tempo and style as listed in his graphic and BIAB created a solid performance. However, when I changed the number of chorus's to 40 as his sgu file indicates, the piano no longer generates. The style tempo is 140, not sure if that relates to the problem.
I tested the number of chorus's to see where the piano drops and in my sgu file, 34 chorus is the last chorus to generate the piano. 35-40 the piano track does not generate. Change the number of chorus's to 34 and his file should work fine. This may need to be reported to PGMusic as I can't imagine a world without 40 chorus's.
Interestingly, I tried two other styles at 40 chorus setting, another jazz at 140 tempo and _jO85gas.sty an 85 tempo - Vintage Jazz Quartet - The piano did not load and play for either style.
However, change the chorus to 34, and we have a piano player.
I fear we have a stray semicolon in the code. No way it could be a lazy pianist...
I simply load an older track which works fine but after extending it to play 24 bars instead of 12 the piano is gone.
Originally Posted By: Noel96
Thanks for the graphic. It helps heaps.
The problem could be related to the fact that you have a tempo of 90 bpm and the Realtrack is designed for optimum performance at 110 bpm. The tempo of 90 bpm is at the lower end of recommended tempos for your RT.
Slowing the tempo requires stretching the RT audio file and the more it's slowed, the greater the stretching. This sometimes introduces audio artifacts. To avoid this, PG Music invented auto-substitution where RTs better suited to a given tempo are loaded in place of what is in the style loaded.
With the above in mind, click on the Sax icon and then select "Realtrack Preferences". Now deactivate the top auto-substitute option shown below.
Magicaldog, in the box located just to the right of the box where you changed the bars from 12 to 24, change the number 40 to a number that is 34 or less. Click on the box and select the lower number from the list.
The piano generated for me when I made that change.
I lowered the amount of choruses and now the piano plays fine.
But I wonder what that has got to do with the problem !
And I thought Photoshop was hard to learn
Originally Posted By: Charlie Fogle
Originally Posted By: Noel96
Thanks for the graphic. It helps heaps.
The problem could be related to the fact that you have a tempo of 90 bpm and the Realtrack is designed for optimum performance at 110 bpm. The tempo of 90 bpm is at the lower end of recommended tempos for your RT.
Slowing the tempo requires stretching the RT audio file and the more it's slowed, the greater the stretching. This sometimes introduces audio artifacts. To avoid this, PG Music invented auto-substitution where RTs better suited to a given tempo are loaded in place of what is in the style loaded.
With the above in mind, click on the Sax icon and then select "Realtrack Preferences". Now deactivate the top auto-substitute option shown below.
Does this help?
Regards, Noel
I replicated his sgu file this morning using the same tempo and style as listed in his graphic and BIAB created a solid performance. However, when I changed the number of chorus's to 40 as his sgu file indicates, the piano no longer generates. The style tempo is 140, not sure if that relates to the problem.
I tested the number of chorus's to see where the piano drops and in my sgu file, 34 chorus is the last chorus to generate the piano. 35-40 the piano track does not generate. Change the number of chorus's to 34 and his file should work fine. This may need to be reported to PGMusic as I can't imagine a world without 40 chorus's.
Magicaldog, in the box located just to the right of the box where you changed the bars from 12 to 24, change the number 40 to a number that is 34 or less. Click on the box and select the lower number from the list.
The piano generated for me when I made that change.
There are no box just to the right of the box where I changed the bars from 12 to 24 ???
I reckon you mean the actual Chorus amount button ?
I tried with lower amount of choruses from 20 up to 29 and piano loads fine but 30 and up the piano is gone ???
Yes, that's the correct box you've chosen. The amount of choruses was what was causing your problem. That your difference in the number of choruses before the piano drops between your file and mine may be due to differences in our computers and setup.
Just remember in future projects of the 30 chorus limitation until PGMusic releases a patch or update and the bug has been fixed.
I have notified the support team to review this thread so they have been alerted to the issue.
That's a 42 minute "song",which exceeded the memory limit since it's a Realtracks style which use memory for the audio tracks. We can see about issuing a message in this case, but in the meantime it looks like you changed it to a 30 minute song which seems like a good workaround. Sine each track is separate audio that's 42 minutes * 3 which is 2 hours of digital audio in memory.
This is just a tip, nothing to do with them memory issue above:
Looking at your chord progression, a good tip would be to use simpler chords, like simple 7ths chords in bars 9 to 12. The result will be a much better sounding and more varied arrangement.
Because BIAB is designed to think like a real musician. If BIAB (or jazz musician) sees a Bm7 BIAB is free to embellish it, but if you put a very specific chord, BIAB assumes you want that one, and so it doesn't embellish it.
Instead of
Bm11 E9 A9 Just put Bm7 E7 A7
For maximum variability, in jazz stick to the 7th chords, Cmaj7, C7, Cm7, Cm7b5, C7sus, Cdim7, C, Cm
Of course if you need a more specific chord, go for it and put it there. This is just a tip for variability in what's played. For example, you might sometimes hear a flat 9 on the E7 chord, but you won't if you put E9
When I saved that song all instruments sounded and now the piano is mute ?? This applies to most songs I have saved since I choosed 40 Chorus to get a long time to practice !
Originally Posted By: PeterGannon
That's a 42 minute "song",which exceeded the memory limit since it's a Realtracks style which use memory for the audio tracks. We can see about issuing a message in this case, but in the meantime it looks like you changed it to a 30 minute song which seems like a good workaround. Sine each track is separate audio that's 42 minutes * 3 which is 2 hours of digital audio in memory.
I'm still experimentering and only testing so far ! Just a simple blues progression.
Thanks
Originally Posted By: PeterGannon
This is just a tip, nothing to do with them memory issue above:
Looking at your chord progression, a good tip would be to use simpler chords, like simple 7ths chords in bars 9 to 12. The result will be a much better sounding and more varied arrangement.
Because BIAB is designed to think like a real musician. If BIAB (or jazz musician) sees a Bm7 BIAB is free to embellish it, but if you put a very specific chord, BIAB assumes you want that one, and so it doesn't embellish it.
Instead of
Bm11 E9 A9 Just put Bm7 E7 A7
For maximum variability, in jazz stick to the 7th chords, Cmaj7, C7, Cm7, Cm7b5, C7sus, Cdim7, C, Cm
Of course if you need a more specific chord, go for it and put it there. This is just a tip for variability in what's played. For example, you might sometimes hear a flat 9 on the E7 chord, but you won't if you put E9
Then I loaded the songs (All Realtracks & Realdrums) that didn't load the piano with 40 Choruses before and it played just fine.
I then increased the songs length (+ 50 to +60 min depending on tempo ) by adding bars to made them even longer with 40 choruses and it played perfectly
Memory wise I don't see why the program should put every chorus in memory since it only repeats the chorus a certain amount of times!
That's how most programs use RAM from what I know ! If there is something that is exactly the same there is no point in loading it into memory more than once !
Originally Posted By: PeterGannon
That's a 42 minute "song",which exceeded the memory limit since it's a Realtracks style which use memory for the audio tracks. We can see about issuing a message in this case, but in the meantime it looks like you changed it to a 30 minute song which seems like a good workaround. Sine each track is separate audio that's 42 minutes * 3 which is 2 hours of digital audio in memory.
)))) That's how most programs use RAM from what I know ! If there is something that is exactly the same there is no point in loading it into memory more than once !
The choruses are all different. If instead you want to hear the same chorus repeated hundreds of times then press the play loop button which allows you to loop a region (like a chorus).
)))) That's how most programs use RAM from what I know ! If there is something that is exactly the same there is no point in loading it into memory more than once !
The choruses are all different. If instead you want to hear the same chorus repeated hundreds of times then press the play loop button which allows you to loop a region (like a chorus).
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