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I'm having problems syncing the MIDI drums I generated in RealBand with the RealDrums I generated by opening up a SGU BIAB file.


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Provided tempo and time signatures are the same, the drums should synchronise. Is it possible that one of the drums is a swing style and the other an even style?

What Realdrum set did you use and what style as the midi set from? If you post this information, I'll test it.


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When you open it, make sure the tempo in RB is the same as the tempo was in BiaB.
May even want to peek at the tempo map to make sure things look OK.


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I am opening a BIAB file in RB, then going to a blank track and generating the MIDI drums. The Real Drums track and the Generated MIDI drums are out of sync.


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I get that.

I have never had this issue, just offering ideas on what I would check.

I'd first look at the RealDrum Track in the middle of the song and see if the peaks (bass/snare) look correct when compared to the time line. (best done in Audio Edit window)
In other words is the bass drum hitting on 1-1-0 of the measure, or has the realtrack drifted.

This isolates where it occurs.
If MIDI is not generating right on the beat I'd be really surprised .. RB has never had a problem with MIDI itself, so I'd check audio tracks first.

I'm trying to help narrow down where to look for the cause of the issue.
My gut says it's a Tempo difference between BiaB and RB, but it may be caused by the clock being used by each program also ..
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If you Froze the track(s) in BiaB before opening in RB, the RT is generated differently.

Other things may come into play too, but I'd start with figuring out which one is wrong..
If the RealDrum is what's wrong I'd generate another one on a new blank track and see if it too wanders. More Clues


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What midi device are you using for the drums ?
So there is delay in the midi playback ?

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I always freeze all tracks in my final BIAB files, as I do not want to change the arrangement or regenerate any tracks once I like the song. So Rharv I will unfreeze one of my songs and pull it into RB and see how that goes.

Thanks for making the suggestion of adjusting the RD, or even looking at the RD as being off. I was using the RealDrums as the correct timing and adjusting the MIDI drums, assuming that the MIDI was drifting or off time with the real drum track.

I'm using the PG DRUM SET ROCK in SampleTank 2.X


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Please define "out of sinc".
A. Start time is different.
B. Metronome in RB that was not in BIAB or visa-versa.
C. Completely different tempos.
D. They start out correctly and drift out of time.
E. Other.


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Originally Posted By: dga
I'm using the PG DRUM SET ROCK in SampleTank 2.X


There's a gazillion rock RD's most with a bunch of substyles. You were asked to provide details, gotta get specific. As in EXACTLY what did you do, list the mouse clicks, your midi and audio config screens, stuff like that. The songfile might be helpful. Post the screenshots of your midi devices and audio setup windows.

Coincidentally, I just finished generating midi drums in a project that has three different RD tracks, no problem. Doubtful it's anything to do with the software itself because nobody else has posted about this but you never know...

Almost forgot one of my own mantras. You need to close and reopen RB often but if you've done that already and the problem persists, then obviously that's not it.

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As pointed out, this should be in sync.

If it's not.... I'd look at the soundcard and driver first since midi in Real Band can suffer latency if the soundcard and driver are not right. Audio tends to run just fine while it takes a bit of time to properly process the midi and get the samples to the speakers. With drums, due to their percussive nature and short durations, even a few milliseconds of latency is very noticeable.

On my laptop, with the factory sound card, I can run a project perfectly in BB.... then I move it to RB where some of the tracks might be midi and I have all sorts of sync issues with the factory card. I can plug in my Focusrite and run ASIO and that same project will now run perfectly in sync. The only thing different is the soundcard and it's driver.

It does make a difference.

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Sorry for my delay.

The issue is my interface Focusrite 2i4. I'm having major problems with the driver for win 10. I have updated it 3 times. Looks like I will need to wait until I fix this problem before I can do any work. Every 5 minutes audio goes to BBZZZZZZZZZZ and wreaks my ears.

As far as posting a screen print, I have a new logitech K400 plus wireless keyboard with a touch pad instead of a keypad, all the function keys are different and I have tried all of them and can't find a print screen key. Manual says FN Backspace but that's not working.

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David,

THIS LINK gives the print screen key as FN+BackSpace.

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Per Focusrite website. I did all but the last step.

https://support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207355205-Optimising-your-PC-for-Audio-on-Windows-10

Notice they say to disconnect from the internet, turn off all firewalls, and turn off the anti-spyware and antivirus software. All done.

No more buzzing,( Yet )however every 2 to 3 minutes there is clicking in the audio playback. Sweetwater Tech tole me to go get a new USB cable.

I know this is not part of my original post, but, I can't even do anything until my interface is working properly.


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Thanks pipeline. Here is a screen capture done with the snip it tool which explains where the screen captures were going when I pressed FN Backspace on my keyboard. They did not go to the clipboard. They were saved to a folder called screen shots on my Google Drive. Hay nobody told me that??? I had to search on Google for problems with screenshots on windows 10???

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This is the kind of thing that drives me crazy, I feel for ya man.

Eventually you'll figure it out and go "Oh, THAT'S it?

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Opened a problem ticket with Focusrite support.

But, in the mean time I noticed after updating the driver and opening up RB the left and right record indicators were both active and I was only using the left channel to record. I opened up preferences and saw that the audio driver was set to MME so I switched it back to ASIO. Seemed to fix the problem and now if I plug into the left channel on the interface RB indicates I'm using the left channel. If I plug int the right its right, if both channels are plugged in then the channel strips both light up.

I'm only getting a problem now every hour or so with the Buzzzzing. But, the clicks every so often are driving me insane. Going to Best Buy to get a new USB cable with a bigger ferric bead (choke) tomorrow.


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When you open it, make sure the tempo in RB is the same as the tempo was in BiaB.
May even want to peek at the tempo map to make sure things look OK.


So none of my songs that I produced in BIAB have the same tempo setting when I open them up in RB. In RB it will say 100%. The tempo seems correct but one of my 85 BPM songs in BIAB opens up in RB as 100BPM.


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I apologize for posting the problems of Buzzing and clicking here in the PG music forum. It is a Focusrite issue.


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