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Like I said in early post I don't really use MP3 but this has now become a personal troubleshooting challenge (as in "this ain't business anymore, it's personal" LOL).
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Andrew Yes, I saw your reply was to Eddie - so didn't mean to sound strident (  ) on that point Thanks for looking into this I will continue to try things on my end - it's more about knowing why this is happening more than actually losing sleep over fixing it. Larry
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Guys, why does everybody get all twisted up with using MP3?? I just don't get it. I've been saving to WMA for years and years. According to several tech sites, the overall sound quality is very close with some giving it to WMA over MP3. There are very few players that can't play WMA and neither me or anybody I've emailed them to has had any problems whatsoever. The few times somebody simply MUST have an MP3 there's always Audacity.
Why keep tilting at that MP3 windmill if it keeps smacking you in the butt?
Bob I have multiple Android devices (cell phones and tablets) that do not recognize WMAs; my stereo amplifier with built-in usb and SD card ports do not recognize WMAs; my car cd player will not play WMAs on cds; the media player on my ebook reader does not recognize WMAs. I have not found much use for WMAs outside my Windows computer.
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Wow, Jim. Looks like you're going to have get new phones and tablets, a new stereo system, and a new car. Nothing like a $40,000 CODEC. 
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Larry,
This is only hypothetical (seasoned with personal experience)
Cannot Get Stream Size (to me) implies it is not getting either the start/end point or the conversion rates to do the math
As tests
Try Save As to another seq filename, then try to convert.
Try a different conversion rate with same codec
Try converting in a different program with the same codec
Try converting to WMA in RB (if it still happens the error is likely in the seq file itself, not the MP3)
Try yelling at it
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I have the LAME encoder as well and still have nothing showing in attributes when I try to create an MP3.
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Funny, in my case, at least LAME SHOWS up (actually both LAME and MPEG Layer-3 selections show up) in both RB and PT's (and it works in all other apps) HOLD that thought: do loop until... ok I'm back use this as you see fit and AT OWN RISK (It FIXED my issues anyway and now BOTH Lame and MPEG Layer III work in PT, RB, - note that LAME always worked in other apps during this problem investigation) http://www.komeil.com/blog/enable-fraunhofer-mp3-l3codecp-acm-windows(it will get you to a file "chortkeh-fix-mp3-codec.cmd" which is a simple registry "hack") As an FYI - I remember about 8 months to a year ago Windows Media center/player was giving me fits (another TOOL I seldom use). It would hang up, not play, it was the proverbial "intermittent" so I simply UNINSTALLED, cleaned up, and did a fresh REINSTALL of WMC and its components AND ANY updates. After the ABOVE fixed my issue (I did some back tracking, I looked at each affected registry line, before and after) and I NOW suspect MS "fixed," doing that install and update, my ACM "stuff" to PROHIBIT Fraunhofer ACM (even though I was licensed from another source for it) but in any case my issue is resolved Good Luck Larry
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I have the LAME encoder as well and still have nothing showing in attributes when I try to create an MP3. Eddie - do you just have the lame encoder DLL and executable, or did you install the LAME ACM. If the former, BIAB/RB won't see it; if the latter, BIAB/RB should see it. use this as you see fit and AT OWN RISK (It FIXED my issues anyway and now BOTH Lame and MPEG Layer III work in PT, RB, - note that LAME always worked in other apps during this problem investigation) http://www.komeil.com/blog/enable-fraunhofer-mp3-l3codecp-acm-windows(it will get you to a file "chortkeh-fix-mp3-codec.cmd" which is a simple registry "hack") Yep, I have used this as well, and it does enable the higher bit-rate settings. Interestingly, if you look online, you'll find Fraunhofer has moved on from MP3 technology into other areas and won't sell you a license (nor provide a place to do so). So the fact that it is going into the public domain fairly soon is good news.
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John I don't know how to answer that. I went online and found a LAME encoder, note, the same one I used with XP years ago. I also installed Audacity, which brings with it a LAME encoder. Audacity works fine to convert to MP3. I still see no attributes available when I select MP3 for my encoding in Real Band.
What I need to know is "Look in your Windows/System32 folder for this file:" and I can tell you what I have. I DO have the one that Windows 7 disabled, and will look at that registry hack to enable it and see if that fixes it for me like it did for Larry.
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Eddie - Whether it ends up working on your system or not remains to be seen. But to even get close to using LAME in BIAB/RB, you have to install the LAME ACM Version (click to see more info), and not just installing the LAME MP3 Encoder (click link for more info). ACM is the Audio Codec Manager, which basically installs the Codec into the registry as an audio codec and makes it available to applications (such as BIAB/RB) who query Windows for available CODECS. Just installing the executable/DLL version just copies those files to your hard drive, but doesn't update the registry. Again, don't know if it will work for you or not, but it's the first step.
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Wow, Jim. Looks like you're going to have get new phones and tablets, a new stereo system, and a new car. Nothing like a $40,000 CODEC. John, I would be interested in knowing if anyone else has had success playing WMA files on a non Windows computer, smart phone or media device. As an experiment some time ago I downloaded several free media players from the Google Play store and installed them on an Android tablet. None recognized WMAs.
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Techno crap to follow:
Actually, ACM = Audio Compression Manger
In light of day (this was running together after a long day of chasing my tail on this one) I was concentrating on what that registry patch CHANGED not what it added.
It ADDED Fraunhofer (before upsetting folks - I own a license from way back so I was not focused on it or worried about usurping its use by MS products like Win Media Center) but nothing affecting LAME is in that cmd line registry hack so still not sure WHY it corrected anything with respect to LAME within PG RB or PT.
I already had a (correct and still unchanged) entry for msacm.lameacm in the registry 32-bit drivers section
( HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Drivers32 )
HOWEVER, that cmd line hack DID ADD the Fraunhofer acm (msacm.3acm set and set it to the newly defined l3codecp.acm)
For some TBD reason that FIXED the LAME issue in PG products - still not sure WHY.
Larry
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Larry -
Makes me wonder if the ACM in Windows had gotten corrupt somehow, and using the hack uncorrupted it.
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That's the best I can come up with also (for now) but I hate not KNOWING, it annoys the he## out of me.
Larry
PS: for all late comers/last post only readers: This is NOT a PG RB or PT problem (symptoms just become painfully evident in RB and PT, that's all)
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You are not alone
When I want audio in a more "convenient" portable form (like for my, duh, MP3 player or my Galaxy phone,..) I use MP3's - for use outside the house, in-house work areas, garage, re-loading bench, even in my car's really nice sound system. Anything more "faithful" than MP3 is wasted in those environments, and like you I find MP3 format to be a lot more ubiquitous plus like you, i have some home theater gear that does not play wma's so MP3 is COMMON.
If I want highest possible quality I use best format specific to the end device (OR PLAY my vinyl collection and forget all the geek stuff!)
However, I do not try to use RB or PT (or Sonar, Audacity, or anything else) to create MP3's either. I have a program that does bulk conversions (from almost any format to almost any format)- it's easier to use and faster to call up than a DAW
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I did more reading. Microsoft, rather than pay licensing, disabled that codec. Larry's hack turns that codec back on and that fixed it. No corruption, no "something must have gotten screwed up" (A phrase I will NEVER use in computers. There are no pronouns in troubleshooting computers. "Something" doesn't get screwed up.).
Thank you, sir!!!
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I did more reading. Microsoft, rather than pay licensing, disabled that codec. Larry's hack turns that codec back on and that fixed it. No corruption, no "something must have gotten screwed up" (A phrase I will NEVER use in computers. There are no pronouns in troubleshooting computers. "Something" doesn't get screwed up.).
Thank you, sir!!! I've been following the thread. Interesting. Seems like the problem was due to Windows and not Realband.
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I've been following the thread. Interesting. Seems like the problem was due to Windows and not Realband. More specifically upgradng to Windows 7 or newer. XP was apparently before that licensing deal that resulted in that codec being disabled.
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yes, re: Fraunhofer
but still puzzling over my LAME (which is nothing more than yet another circumvention of licensing) issue within RB/PT that WORKED about a year ago but then didn't a few days ago.
SO SOMETHING did get CHANGED money is on:
A) a Microsoft update (unlikely),
B) my re-installation of Win Media Center/player (most likely when updates included), or
C) some other utility, audio, or video program that I installed - all possible candidates
[WE ALL know there is no such thing as a "time of day" error (except as it relates to GPS or other satellite time sync issues, aircraft avionics joke - LOL) but to the caveman even paper airplanes would have been unexplained and magic.]
Glad you got something going there Eddie
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"my re-installation of Win Media Center/player (most likely when updates included)"
^^ I think this.
For fraunhofer your l3codecp may have got overwritten with generic Windows one .. can you retrieve the good one from old computer? May be able to just copy over the good version between systems. Windows just uses it if it is there. No checking as far as I have experienced.
For Lame, maybe Windows no longer has that mp3 registry entry .. have you tried to uninstall and re-install Lame?
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