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That's excellent info Charlie, thanks.
The only reason I mentioned the price of AL is most here are not doing big, "get your career going" gigs. In that context of course another $600 is nothing. When someone asks can Biab do this or that, that's what they're focused on, not spending another chunk of dough. I hate to assume but many here balk at spending $50 after buying the UltraPak.
As for the Conductor and glitches, I never had a problem with that. The Conductor works extremely well, I had it set up to trigger one of several possible jumps at the next part marker so the song still flowed nicely. Never a glitch. The only problem is what I described earlier which isn't Biab's fault. If you're running your own show then it's great.
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lambada - "Just wondering, if you can control start and stop, choruses etc using midi in BIAB. If so, you could run it with a midi controller. I bought a neat software based midi controller, but I haven't had time to try it out yet. "
BIAB's Conductor feature can control all of those using a midi controllor.
Jazzmammal: I mentioned price because it is not unusual to go to a show here at the beach and see an artist constantly apologizing for the poor performance of the $150 underpowered used PA system because he can't afford to invest in quality to advance his hobby or career whichever the case may be. Yet, he's playing a $2,600 Gibson acoustic.
Glitches were included because lambada, joden and Lee Batchelor referenced the difficulty or occurrence encountered in BIAB in earlier posts.
I mentioned the AL tempo map tweak because that same technique can cross over to the BIAB Conductor by using the ACW on your tracks and chord chart to tighten and make small tempo adjustments that can focus in on areas of a track that are not having smooth transitions when jumping from segment to segment in a song performance or bringing instruments in and out.
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Charlie, so the conductor can be synced up to a midi controller? In that case, I need to spend a bit of time on the conductor. BIAB is such a huge product!
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From what I have seen, the only thing you can use to control it from the controller is keys. There does nto seem to be any capacity to assign, say, buttons knobs or switches (mapped with CC #'s) to any of the controls within Conductor.
IE, only keys themselves or the qwerty keyboard seem to be the options.
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From what I have seen, the only thing you can use to control it from the controller is keys. There does nto seem to be any capacity to assign, say, buttons knobs or switches (mapped with CC #'s) to any of the controls within Conductor.
IE, only keys themselves or the qwerty keyboard seem to be the options. You are correct. I may have misspoke - 3 ways to control conductor is with the menu, qwerty and keyboard. I was thinking a controller such as I have, it has keys would work the same as a regular keyboard.
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That's correct. I picked up a used Frontier Tranzport at the same time I was using the Conductor and it only did a couple of things concerning the Conductor. It's been in the box for years now so I can't remember the details. Whatever it was it didn't do much for me. The laptop number keys worked much better.
Bottom line, Biab does not work with midi controllers. That's been in the Wishlist for years also.
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Bottom line, Biab does not work with midi controllers. That's been in the Wishlist for years also.
Bob Surprising this is so - being controller capable is a small change when considering BIAB has some level of control using MIDI already...maybe the code (existing) is still there from the days when these sorts of devices were almost non-existent and PG have simply missed upgrading it? Preferring to maintain the status quo of forcing users to rely on a qwerty setup for complete control. I wonder if Realband has the same restrictions?
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A Wishlist post of mine every so often is for BIAB to support the ubiquitous Mackie Control Unit protocol. Then we could use hardware that emulates it (such as the new Behringer X-Touch) or software that runs on an iPad (such as V-Control).
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Charlie I watched the video. I didn't see anything that addressed controlling parts of the song, repeats, shortening a song by dropping a verse etc in Ableton. I've seen DJs use a controller to do this a lot. I wonder what they are using.
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@matt yes everyone wish for this control protocol inside BIAB/RB. Create enough BUZZ to send a strong message.
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A Wishlist post of mine every so often is for BIAB to support the ubiquitous Mackie Control Unit protocol. Then we could use hardware that emulates it (such as the new Behringer X-Touch) or software that runs on an iPad (such as V-Control). Maybe we better resurrect this in the Wishlist, in case it's slipped a bit. I definitely support this feature for a Surface Controller.
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Yes that sounds like a good idea, but I think having ANY controller surface (for eg controller keyboards with knobs and buttons and sliders) being able to be used does widen the market, rather than locking it down to one or two specific devices or platforms.
After all it is only basic MIDI we are talking about, MIDI CC's 0-127. It is not rocket science!
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Danny what kind of small changes can you make while the song is playing? Anything and everything, from tweaking volumes on any track, to bringing up songs from a playlist of 1500 at the click of a mouse to changing keys if I have a guest vocalist etc. etc. Of course some of these changes can't be made when the song is playing. Question: Other than volume on rare occasions what changes do you feel you have to make when the song is playing? Later,
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Danny what kind of small changes can you make while the song is playing? Question: Other than volume on rare occasions what changes do you feel you have to make when the song is playing? Later, Danny people want to add a repeat to the song while playing. Go back and add an additional Chorus, verse or bridge and chorus. Skip the ending and return to the beginning of the song. Or stop before playing the last verse or chorus. In other words rearrange the parts of the song while it is playing, like the leader of a band would do so a soloist could continue their solo until they decide to bring the band back in. (Loop the solo part and take a cue from the soloist or band leader to go back to the rigid framework of the song.)
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After all it is only basic MIDI we are talking about, MIDI CC's 0-127. It is not rocket science! This has been requested forever and ever. Whatever the problem is it's not as simple as it looks or it would have been done by now. Or, it's not a priority. PGM is a business and businesses run on sales. Whatever they think will generate the most sales, bring in new customers is what they will focus their limited resources on. So far, it's always been new Real Tracks and styles and if they have time to improve basic functionality they will. I know that internally Biab runs on midi. Everything that concerns a style is controlled by midi but that's internal, "inside the box" so to speak. None of that is accessible externally other than the few little things being talked about here. Keep pounding the Wishlist, something may happen. Here's something else I didn't mention earlier. If you're willing to accept a momentary skip in the song, the Conductor can be set to jump instantly or at the next 1 from wherever you're at to the part the jump key is set to. I really don't like that which is why I set it to jump at the next part marker. I set the markers to make sense with the song. But if your singer or leader wants to go to the bridge or extend a chorus you can hit a key and that can happen right now even if you're on beat 2 1/2 in the middle of a bar or it can wait the 1 1/2 beats and then jump. The singer hears that and can pick it up pretty easily. That probably wouldn't sound as bad as I make it out to be, records used to skip all the time. Bob
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I just looked at some more Abelton vids and found this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zHMkZtHfoQThis caught my attention because this past New Years Eve I needed to work up the chart for Call Me by Blondie. Notice the keys guy is using an Oxygen 61 controller just for punching in parts of each song in their show. He has 61 keys plus all the knobs and buttons. That controller isn't very expensive and I like how he has each key labeled with tape. Good idea. Bob
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dga: "Charlie I watched the video. I didn't see anything that addressed controlling parts of the song, repeats, shortening a song by dropping a verse etc in Ableton. I've seen DJs use a controller to do this a lot. I wonder what they are using."
Ableton can be operated by computer keyboard, midi keyboard, footswitch, midi controller. Remote switching can be programmed onto a channel within a project.
Ableton can process each of the control options you list above.
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Danny what kind of small changes can you make while the song is playing? Question: Other than volume on rare occasions what changes do you feel you have to make when the song is playing? Later, Danny people want to add a repeat to the song while playing. Go back and add an additional Chorus, verse or bridge and chorus. Skip the ending and return to the beginning of the song. Or stop before playing the last verse or chorus. In other words rearrange the parts of the song while it is playing, like the leader of a band would do so a soloist could continue their solo until they decide to bring the band back in. (Loop the solo part and take a cue from the soloist or band leader to go back to the rigid framework of the song.) Nahh I can't do any of those things using my laptop but I would guess I would be able to do even less if the file were converted to mp3. Later,
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