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I told ya but you didn't listen guys.
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Does`t rule number 8 negate the whole essence of what BIAB is all about,i have never written an original song so does this mean i have no reason to be on this forum, could you please explain this rule as this more or less says nobody can put there music on this forum like Guitarman,Russ and many others is this a law thing,i hope you will anwser this as i can`t see the point of the forum
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8." ...You are allowed to post links to your own original songs."
They limit it to copyrighted material that is forbidden.
Otherwise it is legally an infringement of copyright.
BiaB can produce original songs. I don't understand why you're thinking this, Dave
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Thank you, webmaster. Now, are you gonna enforce the rules? If so, then "I hope this will help you to get closer to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.." 
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jazzband: Folks who place links to their versions of copyrighted material (covers that are not public domain) are in violation of copyright laws. Sites like this that allow users to post these links are potentially liable to copyright infringement suits. However as long as you play by the rules and get mechanical licenses for your cover tunes then there is no problem. That's just the way the law is. I am surprised that PG Music doesn't run a tighter ship.
Post of political, religious and other hot button topics probably have no reason to be here. As long as PG Music allows it, though, it is not of my concern. It is their site and I am just an interested observer.
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Good thing I dont understand cause i might be mad if i did...;)
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This does not affect me as all the music i play is out of copyright but is it not nit picking when musicians like Furry won`t be able to let us listen to a great artist he is i know that a lot of Furrys music is out of copyright but who is going to decide,it will get silly like most things in this world are now,could someone point me in the direction that explains copyright laws in laymans terms, i always thought it meant if you was making money from other peoples music it is illegal but if you are playing for education and your own pleasure, which i think BIAB is all about its ok
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Shhh, Dave buddy....if you don't make a big deal about it, be circumspect and all that, it's usually no problem. Oth, if people really start talking about it, going into all the legal stuff, then yeah we will have no fun at all. You've been on this forum for years and every few weeks it seems, there's a big thread with all the links to the international copyright stuff, you've never seen any of them? Again for the gazillionth time, technically legally nobody can put up a link, the song itself, lyrics or melodies to any copyrighted material without having purchased a legal license to do so. Whether you're making money from it or not is completely irrelevant. You have no right to do anything with that song except listen to it using a copy you legally purchased, can't give it away, can't perform it, can't put up a link, nothing. If "they" wanted to do so, "they" could send out cease and desist orders to all of the various websites and newsgroups we all know about here that have midi files, biab files and the like that have the melodies/lyrics in them. The only thing that keeps that from happening is to keep it kinda quiet and under the radar.
You say you only work with tunes that are out of copyright, you sure about that? The copyright runs for 70 years and the owners can renew for another 70. If this were really enforced, we would all be shut out from having fun with these cover tunes except for being by ourselves in our little bedroom studios. Couldn't share anything except privately among personal friends and even that's illegal. You can't even legally give away for free a copy of a copyrighted tune to a friend.
When you see these required legal disclaimers on different websites like this one, just go "great, I understand, thanks" and carry on. Quietly.
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http://erikjheels.com/?p=803simple enough? Not meant to be a legal guide, just simple.  Your Furry example would be a derivative work and protected, if the piece has a copyright to it.
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i always thought it meant if you was making money from other peoples music it is illegal ...
Money has nothing to do with (in the pure sense). Copyright is a "right to copy" (that makes sense). The bottom line is that you don't have permission to copy unless you pay for that right or get permission from the copyright owner. It is pretty simple. Playing covers in your own home is fine, playing covers in venue that pays for that right via payments to ASCAP, BMI, .... are fine too. Making a cover of a rolling stones tune with BIAB and posting it at soundclick is NOT alright. Now we know that 99.9% of the time the copyright owners are not coming after you or Soundclick. But it is still not allowed.
There is tons of info on the internet about copyrights, but getting a simple layman's version that is 100% correct is hard to find.
EDIT: rharv -- nice link!
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That's why I've never posted a song. I only do covers.
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Hi
thanks Rharv nice and simple, i will now shut up and apolagize for stirring it up
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Standard stuff for about any music board or otherwise. Good posting by the webhamster - err webmaster! LOL! Sorry, couldn't help myself
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To take it one step further, any covers you do at a gig are copyright violations. Bars and other venues are supposed to pay fees to performing rights organizations to cover the venues' use of live music. Technically every giger is supposed to file a songlist with appropriate info - ie writer, publisher. Mr Webmaster - we have had an influx lately of spammers - HOW ARE THEY GETTING REGISTRATION NUMBERS TO ACCESS THE FORUM - are they actually buying a piece of PG software.???  Seems to me PG should check every First Post for legitimacy Cheers
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We were told at the Masonic Hall when I was on the board of directors that paying the SOCAN fee (Canada), that bands and DJ's and recorded music played over the PA was covered by the fee.
You'd have to check Socan's website to verify this. I do covers of other stuff, but ony at Nursing Homes and Legions. I doubt the Nursing Homes are big issue, the people usually ask for Danny Boy 8 times forgetting you did it twice already.
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Certainly below radar level anyway, John. 
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Citaat:
To take it one step further, any covers you do at a gig are copyright violations. Bars and other venues are supposed to pay fees to performing rights organizations to cover the venues' use of live music. Technically every giger is supposed to file a songlist with appropriate info - ie writer, publisher.
This is a standard issue in all my contracts. Clubowner/venue has to pay for all rights. In the Netherlands you don't have to file a songlist though.
Im am frequenting another forum where you can publish original songs. Links to covers are allowed, but have to be hosted elsewhere.
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Ian, I agree that checking a 'first post' would catch many spammers. However, I thought that anyone can join this forum. No purchase of a PG music program is required. Indeed, some post to ask questions prior to purchase.
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Matt - I always thought that anyone could read the Forum but that you had to own the software to post - hey I've been wrong before . . . just ask my ex. Well if that's not the case then perhaps it should be - after all it is a software forum. Mike - I think the list applies to concerts, TV shows - in which case the songs listed would be filed, including your own if registered with performing rights orgs, so that royalties could be paid to the authors including yourself.. Cheers
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