Does anyone else ever experience an issue where opening a previously created song that had mixer level settings all set correctly, opens to find that all the volume levels are set at 90, when they were definitely set and saved (and reopened many times previously) with the correct levels?
Occasionally I open a song that had all levels set correctly, (including some at zero, e.g. the lead sheet), and every track is now set to 90. It doesn't happen often - but it certainly happens. After it happens once, reopening the song doesn't change things, the tracks are all still set to 90
It's as though the settings had all been 'lost'.
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Yes. This does happen to me. As with you, it doesn't happen often enough that I've been able to figure out what was different that time.
Many years ago, and I'm thinking twelve or so, we had this happen often. We had to 'Save with Patches and Harmony', and (here's the kicker) do it WHILE the song was playing. At some point, it got better and I've mostly forgotten about it since. It is a surprise when it happens, though.
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in the preferences "display" tab under "environment options=, theres a setting called, open song with reverb, vol etc. which needs to be checked.
If you created and saved your songs with different volumes etc. while this option was disabled, you have to first enable this option, then load your song and save again (for all songs created unfortunately).
For new songs, make sure this option is enabled first and always, then your songs will always load with the correct volume settings per song.
Thanks Rally Yes, I always have this setting checked. Usually the song loads OK with the correct volume settings, but occasionally it just loses all the values.
I think it's related to some data becoming corrupted in the BiaB song file or similar. The song opens perfect one day, and the same song opens with everything set to 90 the next.
Thanks for your assistance.
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Also, that is checked by default. I'm working with my new PC and fresh install of Biab and haven't changed anything other than the midi and audio setups. That box was already checked.
This issue is one of the many little mysteries of Biab and I've see it too. It does strange things sometimes and one thing to keep in mind is if you're working with it for several hours, it's good to simply close and reopen during your session. That seems to clear these small things up.
A few versions ago, when I updated BIAB, ALL my songs opened with the volumes set at ZERO! I notified Support and they had me send them one or two of the files but I never heard anything back.
Yikes, Lloyd. That could be quite disconcerting. I don't remember ever hearing about that problem from anyone else, whereas the fixed 90 has surfaced on occasion.
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This may or may not be your problem, but if your songs are always reverting to 90, another thing to look at is the style file setting. BIAB style files have a setting called "allow volume change", which is confusing because it doesn't allow you (the user) to change the volume, but allows the style to change the volume to that which is defined in the style. Most PGMusic styles do NOT have this enabled, but as I recall there are a few. I've also found most of the styles from Bob Norton have this enabled.
So what happens is if you load a previously saved song where the style has the check box enabled, volumes may revert to the style defined volumes (which by default are set to 90).
I don't know if this is the problem, but there are two places to fix this (and I don't know if this has any effect on RealStyles/RealTracks; I believe it only affects MIDI styles/tracks.
1. Open the style file in StyleMaker by selecting "Edit Current Style in Stylemaker". 2. Select the "Misc" (Miscellaneous Style Settings) button. 3. Uncheck the box "Allow Volume Changes with Style". Resave your style (you can give it a different name, if you wish, or keep the same (however, keep in mind if it is a PGMusic provided style, it potentially could get overwritten in a future update).
If you don't want to go on a style-by-style basis, you can also go to the "Preferences, MIDI Options" and make sure "Style Volume Changes" is set to "No". This will override the setting saved in the style file.
And as has already been mentioned, be sure to save your song using the "Save with Patches and Harmony" save dialog.
John
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This may or may not be your problem, but if your songs are always reverting to 90, another thing to look at is the style file setting. BIAB style files have a setting called "allow volume change", which is confusing because it doesn't allow you (the user) to change the volume, but allows the style to change the volume to that which is defined in the style. Most PGMusic styles do NOT have this enabled, but as I recall there are a few. I've also found most of the styles from Bob Norton have this enabled.
So what happens is if you load a previously saved song where the style has the check box enabled, volumes may revert to the style defined volumes (which by default are set to 90).
I don't know if this is the problem, but there are two places to fix this (and I don't know if this has any effect on RealStyles/RealTracks; I believe it only affects MIDI styles/tracks.
1. Open the style file in StyleMaker by selecting "Edit Current Style in Stylemaker". 2. Select the "Misc" (Miscellaneous Style Settings) button. 3. Uncheck the box "Allow Volume Changes with Style". Resave your style (you can give it a different name, if you wish, or keep the same (however, keep in mind if it is a PGMusic provided style, it potentially could get overwritten in a future update).
If you don't want to go on a style-by-style basis, you can also go to the "Preferences, MIDI Options" and make sure "Style Volume Changes" is set to "No". This will override the setting saved in the style file.
And as has already been mentioned, be sure to save your song using the "Save with Patches and Harmony" save dialog.
This issue comes up a couple of times every year and I have repeatedly asked for the wording of this option in the StyleMaker to be changed. HOWEVER I don't think any PG styles are supplied with this option ticked so it only happens to me with third party styles or if I have somehow modified a PG style and saved it with the tick before I realized what the cause was.
If it is happening for you with virgin PG styles then this is not the explanation.
I agree, Tony, although in the past I have come across a few PG MIDI styles with it set. I think they went through them a few years ago and fixed them, but with thousands it's possible some could have slipped through. But I was merely trying, in addition to what everyone else posted, to provide a complete picture as to the reasons something like this could happen.
And yes, the wording is most definitely backwards. To me, it should be something more like "lock in default style volume settings".
John
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I'm running the latest BiaB. I don't think this is operating system dependent, but your input is welcomed.
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