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Now all I've got to do is the syncopated Chorus:
Bars 37, 38, 39 (in the song its the chorus with following lyrics: "If I seem edgy, I want you to know, that I never meant to take it out on you etc") where I need the Eb to come in earlier in a syncopated way. I've tried to put it on the 4th beat of previous bar but that doesn't sound right either.
Any suggestions?
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Nigel Yes... try putting ^ or ^^ in front of the chord on the first beat of the bar. For example, if you have ^C on beat 1 of bar 10, it will play on the last eighth note of bar 9; that is, the chord is anticipated (pushed) by 1/8th note. The ^^C entry will cause the chord to anticipated by 1/16th note.
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Hi Noel,
Brilliant that worked also - thanks.
I note the drums and bass were pushed by an 1/8th OK but not the guitar and nor the organ. Does this mean I have to substitute a guitar and an organ patch playing in 16th time for this section of the song?
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Nigel, Would it be possible for you to send me the final sgu file via PM? I tried doing that song in BIAB myself, with very poor results. I'm not a "power user" like Noel, Trevor, et al. That song kills live (once people are well-lit).  Thanks. Regards, Bob
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I tried the push also, but not all instruments responded, and I checked - they all are enabled for holds/rests/pushes/etc (at least my understanding of the RealTracks picker column).
So instead of a push on the "and" of the previous beat, you get a da-dit effect as some instruments play on the "and" and some on the beat.
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Nice to see you guys have been busy working thru the night. This "collaborative" work on a shared file is one of the best ways to explore the intricacies of BIAB.
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Hi guys,
Thanks again Noel, John, Dan and Richard for your assistance.
365 people have now viewed this post and none have a solution to the remaining problem of most instruments not playing ^Eb correctly.
I have tried dozens of other Real Track instruments and no success.
I think it's time the moderators of this forum sent us all the solution.
Thanks for your help.
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Nigel,
Which Realtracks don't support the push? Have you tried generating your song and then soloing each Realtrack in turn and seeing which behave properly and which don't?
It is possible that pushes are not supported by all Realtracks.
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Nigel,
Which Realtracks don't support the push? Have you tried generating your song and then soloing each Realtrack in turn and seeing which behave properly and which don't?
It is possible that pushes are not supported by all Realtracks.
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Noel. I think John already confirmed that the RT should be supported: "...I tried the push also, but not all instruments responded, and I checked - they all are enabled for holds/rests/pushes/etc (at least my understanding of the RealTracks picker column)." My suggestion is, can you simply mute the ones which miss the push. Bring them back in a bar later. A band don't always need every one on the mark - but you no need to avoid the "da-dit"!
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Hi,
Yes I have tried soloing all the tracks - as mentioned previously the drums and bass Real Tracks are fine but the guitar and organ Real Tracks can't be pushed.
I have tried lots more Guitar and Organ Real Tracks and none of them support Pushes.
The whole song dies if you leave the organ and guitar out of this section so that is not an option.
I have also tried the HELD RT's and they don't support Pushes either.
Why are we all spending so much time on this issue when I assume the moderators already have the answer.?
Why don't the moderators help us out with the answer?
I'm sure we would all be most grateful.
Best Regards
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Why don't the moderators help us
I'm sure we would all be most grateful.
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Nigel Truth is this is a "User Forum". The PG staff does at times weigh in but not too often. You need to send a message to Support and refer them to this thread.
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Have you tried using a MIDI style to check what you're doing works. I think there are issues with real tracks not always doing what they advertise. I had a similar problem with shots & holds http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=343512PG Music accepted this as a bug and hopefully will fix it. So do as jazzmandan says, send an email to support referencing this thread. They will be able to give you more information.
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I haven't read the comments to this point other than to skim a few of them.
This song you're referring to is a difficult song to get BB to replicate due to the changes in the song. As I recall the song, there are timing changes from shorter measures and stops.
I'm thinking, this will be a hard song to do in BB but can easily be accomplished in MIDI with a good sequencer DAW. That's the direction I would go if I was trying to cover this song.
However, in BB, it is fairly easy to change measures from 4 beats to 2 beats and back again so, get a tempo map and have fun. The process will be frustrating but educational. So, yeah, have a go at it and let us know how it turns out.
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Of course, keep in mind that BiaB is not designed and I understand was never intended to do direct 'covers' of other artists songs, the way karaoke does.
It's an excellent music backing, band substitution, band accompaniment, music just about 'anything' tool that does an absolutely outstanding job 99.9% of the time. It's a credit to its inventors, and not much else comes close.
Most users can almost always get a very acceptable result. There's always the 0.1% though.
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The problem here is that the push is a claimed feature for these real tracks and it is not working as claimed. And it appears this was noted as a bug 4 months ago and has not been fixed. I fully accept the limitations of the program in its effort to "create art". Some things were made to be done only by man. I get that. But squashing reported bugs is a vendors responsibility which in todays software market is expected by the users. The vendor can accept that responsibility or not and it disappoints when they chose - not.  I love the program as we all do... but not willing to drink the koolaid.
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I definitely agree with you on that Dan. If it says it has a certain feature, well, it should deliver the described functionality of that feature.
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Hi,
No response from BIAB support desk.
I have tried Midi instruments Andy - same problem as with Real Tracks - stutters.
I think you are right Herb - I will have to fix the errors manually in my DAW.
The only issue I have now is that the problems are mounting up - I now also find:
1. Soloists don't solo over bars with variable lengths.
2. I can't alter the number of bars per line in various places throughout the chord sheet. I have tried adjusting in the bar settings but nothing happens.
Any suggestions?
Best Regards
Nigel
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Nigel,
Are you sure that you have tried the midi instruments? If you have a Midi track loaded, the track name will be written in yellow and not in green.
The reason I ask this is because midi pushes work very well. Also the default settings in BIAB cause the program to automatically replace midi tracks with Realtracks.
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I have noticed that pushes and holds with organ RealTracks (B3 Background Pop) frequently do not work as I think they should. Low notes are emphasized and it makes it sound very different, sometimes unusable. As a result, I use pushes less often that I might otherwise and on a song's final held chord, I have to either mute the organ or reduce the volume.
I know I could generate the organ track without pushes or holds, freeze it, and then redo the chord sheet with pushes and regenerate the other tracks, but I prefer not to freeze tracks. I sometimes need to change keys and it's inconvenient with frozen tracks plus I enjoy the slight variations that naturally occur when tracks are not frozen.
By the way, this behavior did not just begin with the 2016 update; the B3 Background Pop RealTracks have always acted this way.
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Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do to get the results you want.
If you can't go in the front door, look for the back door or even an open window. (speaking metaphorically of course)
How's it's accomplished doesn't matter.... there are no rules here.... the important thing is the result.
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