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Ethan Winer's Audio Myths workshop #366199 09/19/16 02:37 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,382 K Kent - PG Music OP PG Music Staff
OP Kent - PG Music PG Music Staff K Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,382	Hi folks, This may have been posted a few years back, but now that we have a dedicated forum for general production discussion, I thought it might be time for a re-post for those who haven't seen it. It's about an hour long, but I feel this video is worth a watch (or re-watch) if you work with audio. They go into detail about the limits of human hearing and how the brain processes audio information (including how it can be tricked), and dispel a lot of myths that surround high-end (expensive) audio equipment and super-high resolution audio files. https://youtu.be/BYTlN6wjcvQ He also wrote a short related article back in '98, it's short and worth checking out: http://ethanwiner.com/myths.html And if you want a great example of "audiophile"-marketed nonsense, these guys are always good for a laugh.. though I'm not sure if it's satire or not: http://www.machinadynamica.com/ Thanks Kent PG Music Last edited by Kent - PG Music; 09/19/16 04:01 PM.

Re: Ethan Winer's Audio Myths workshop Kent - PG Music #366213 09/19/16 03:40 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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dcuny Veteran Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 6,796 Sacramento, California	Originally Posted By: Kent - PG Music And if you want a great example of "audiophile"-marketed nonsense, these guys are always good for a laugh.. though I'm not sure if it's satire or not: http://www.machinadynamica.com/ I just read through How the Teleportation Tweak Works. Brilliant stuff. -- David Cuny My virtual singer development blog Vocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?

Re: Ethan Winer's Audio Myths workshop Kent - PG Music #366219 09/19/16 04:04 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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Re: Ethan Winer's Audio Myths workshop Kent - PG Music #366224 09/19/16 04:40 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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rockstar_not Veteran R Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA	I think I posted that link a few years back. It's one of my go-to links when people talk about how much better analog recording is compared to digital. My Songs, photos, writing,etc. My Sound Cloud

Re: Ethan Winer's Audio Myths workshop Kent - PG Music #366225 09/19/16 04:43 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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rockstar_not Veteran R Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA	Actually, gotta give credit to Mac for the original post. http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=80399&Searchpage=1&Main=13037&Words=winer&Search=true#Post80399 I'm guilty of posting it in a few other threads over the years since. -Scott My Songs, photos, writing,etc. My Sound Cloud

Re: Ethan Winer's Audio Myths workshop Kent - PG Music #366460 09/21/16 06:07 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,154 Winston-Salem, NC USA	Ethan Winer is a key member of another online organization called ++ PLAY WITH YOUR MUSIC .ORG ++ devoted to helping newbies learn about digital recording, mixing and music theory. He has a YouTube series of Music Theory videos that are great. Jim Fogle - 2024 BiaB (1111) RB (5) Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk by BandLab (CbB) - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: Ethan Winer's Audio Myths workshop Kent - PG Music #367669 09/28/16 09:04 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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Janice & Bud Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 14,204 GA USA	There is a reason that the typical audiophile would not submit to a double blind study of high end vs mid level audio components or to a well designed double blind test of analogue vs digital sound. If anybody has run across such a study I would love to read it. I went through the high end journey from early McIntosh tube stuff to 80's solid state Carver components. Now days I run a very basic stereo Yamaha amp with very basic Polk Audio speakers. And all is good. Bud Janice on Spotify J&B Soundcloud J&B Website

Re: Ethan Winer's Audio Myths workshop Kent - PG Music #367713 09/28/16 01:57 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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lambada Expert L Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,574 Hong Kong	The short article was a very interesting read. It dispelled a few myths that I had heard over the years. Especially the analog / digital one. I don't feel so bad about getting rid of my huge record collection - apart from the rare Blues albums. Windows 10 Home 20H2 Build 19042.487 BIAB 2021 (Build 818) Intel(R) Core(TM), i3-4160, CPU @3.60 GHz RAM 16 GB, 64 Bit X64-based processor Zoom UAC-2 (USB 3 interface-built in midi) VoiceLive 3 Extreme, Sputnik Valve Condenser Mic

Re: Ethan Winer's Audio Myths workshop Janice & Bud #367728 09/28/16 03:33 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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rockstar_not Veteran R Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA	Originally Posted By: Janice & Bud There is a reason that the typical audiophile would not submit to a double blind study of high end vs mid level audio components or to a well designed double blind test of analogue vs digital sound. If anybody has run across such a study I would love to read it. I went through the high end journey from early McIntosh tube stuff to 80's solid state Carver components. Now days I run a very basic stereo Yamaha amp with very basic Polk Audio speakers. And all is good. Bud Bud, I remember reading this article back in the day about amp simulations. http://www.emusician.com/how-to/1334/showdown-at-the-clubhouse--amp-software-vs-amps/40821 My Songs, photos, writing,etc. My Sound Cloud

Re: Ethan Winer's Audio Myths workshop Janice & Bud #367800 09/29/16 05:41 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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Will B - PG Music PG Music Staff W Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 408	Originally Posted By: rockstar_not Bud, I remember reading this article back in the day about amp simulations. http://www.emusician.com/how-to/1334/showdown-at-the-clubhouse--amp-software-vs-amps/40821 That's a great article, thanks for sharing! Originally Posted By: Janice & Bud There is a reason that the typical audiophile would not submit to a double blind study of high end vs mid level audio components or to a well designed double blind test of analogue vs digital sound. If anybody has run across such a study I would love to read it. Bud I can only provide anecdotal evidence but I remember a guitar forum I used to hang out on going absolutely crazy for directional gold-plated patch cables... They were optimized to move the sound from right to left! (Or from left to right, if you were left handed.) And of course they cost about $79 each. Will - PG Music

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