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We gonna switch the usb cable. Will let u know how we make out. When we get to Carnegie Hall we don't want our backup to back up. You do know how to get to Carnegie Hall, don't you?  Regards, Bob
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Hi Guys
Just to let you know, upgraded USB cable, changed computer drivers did almost everything possible. Did a rehearsal and played every song on gig list with no problem. Played a gig today and all of a sudden, BIAB speeds up and gives us the total willies. We are totally flummoxed. Now will change lap tops completely to see if this helps. Currently we are totally paranoid when we start out a selection, waiting for the background to pervert. Its amazing after using six different BIAB updates and never a prob in 12 years.
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Fluglebone man and I are musical buddies so I'll put my two cents worth in!
First of all, the computer is an Acer Aspire E5-551 Windows 10, 64 bit with 8 gb RAM and about 800 gb free on hard drive.We've had it checked over by a technician and reinstalled the audio driver.
The mixer we use now is an MG10XU that we connect to the computer with a USB cable. The previous mixer was a Mackie that was hooked up through the computer's headset out jack.
To clarify what's happening, the "bouncing ball" black line that shows the music's position on the chord page of BIAB will occasionally stop for a second or so during playback. The music stops at the same time then continues as if nothing is wrong. You can imagine what that does to the musicians. It never speeds up but sometimes it stops completely and doesn't continue. We can open another song and it usually plays through with no drop-out.
We did a DPC Latency check which showed a maximum spike of 1400 ms.
Hope this helps.
Last edited by Gretschky; 10/09/16 04:29 AM.
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Wow. Gretschky and Fluglebone! Great Band name. Sounds to me like something is running in the background and tripping up BIAB. Eddie is the one to troubleshoot this though - HELLO.....EDDIE.....YOU THERE???“It never speeds up but sometimes it stops completely and doesn't continue. We can open another song and it usually plays through with no drop-out.” Have you gone through all the songs to determine if it's just affecting certain songs? If so, they might be corrupt song files. I would disable everything not BIAB related on the laptop. Windows Updates, virus protection – everything. Your computer has plenty of juice. Check out what's running in the background. Then, of course, there is the old “Return To Factory Settings”. Regards, Bob
Last edited by 90 dB; 10/09/16 05:37 AM. Reason: Sheer Ornryness
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Thanks, Bob. I don't think that there are any corrupt files because we've played the stuttering/drop-out ones later and they are fine.
We had disabled WIFI, Anti-Virus and everything that wasn't BIAB although it's possible that we missed something so I'll take your suggestion and go through it again.
I talked to PG Music and we returned BIAB to factory settings as you and they suggested - still with no luck.
Geesh!
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Do you absolutely need to render the BIAB file every song? Are you arranging on the fly? I prefer fixed tracks, and use MP3's exclusively. I'm singing lead and playing guitar, and there is no way I could mix or arrange on the fly. I know a guy who brings the entire Jet Propulsion Laboratory to a gig. I'm too simple for that. Regards, Bob
Last edited by 90 dB; 10/09/16 06:57 AM. Reason: Speeeling
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Band-in-a-Box "builds" a song different than what you might suspect. It "builds" the first few measures, begins to play the song and "builds" the remainder of the song as a background task while also continuing to play the song. In theory the BiaB media player should never catch up with BiaB's construction of the song. In practice the media player may catch up to the construction and when the media player catches up it pauses and waits for more construction to be completed. The process is comparable to watching a video over a slow internet connection. You download part of the video prior to viewing the video, you begin to watch the video while the remainder downloads in the background. If your viewing position catches up to the downloading position, viewing pauses.
One way around this is to use RealBand to play your songs. RealBand
completely 'builds" a song before the song begins to play.
Another way to minimize the issue is (BiaB 2016 build 438) to open "Options" > "Realtracks" to open the RealTracks Settings window and place a check mark for the settings "speed up generation of realtracks (disable on slow machines)" and "High Quality Tempo/Pitch Stretching (disable on slow machines)".
Another option is to render the songs to an (wav, MP3 or wma) audio file and use the media player of your choice the play the audio files.
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I'm going to answer Jim and Bob together.
Bob Wrote, "Do you absolutely need to render the BIAB file every song? Are you arranging on the fly?"
I prepare the song in BIAB (choose the rhythm accompaniment, etc.) then hit 'Generate and Play' and after it's generated hit 'Freeze' then save it into a folder in BIAB as part of our gig list. When it's time to play the song I open the folder, click on the song and when it's loaded, hit Play and start strummin'.
Jim, we use Real Band for most of our songs. We had already checked, "speed up generation of realtracks (disable on slow machines)" but didn't check "High Quality Tempo/Pitch Stretching (disable on slow machines)" so I'll try that.
"Another option is to render the songs to an (wav, MP3 or wma) audio file and use the media player of your choice the play the audio files."
We hadn't thought of that. Thanks for the suggestions,
Danny (aka Gretschky) and Ian (aka Flugleboneman)
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You're making it too hard on yourself. Mix the tracks down to MP3, pick up this free program, and Bob's your uncle. http://www.mike-warren.net/dfbhelp/Regards, Bob
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Thanks, Bob. We'll have a look at it for sure.
I listened to and bought your song, Run, and love it!
Danny
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Thanks, Bob. We'll have a look at it for sure.
I listened to and bought your song, Run, and love it!
Danny Thanks Danny. You will like Digital Fakebook. It gives you lyrics as well. Regards, Bob
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That sounds like problems I have had in the past.
First suggestion, export mix to WAV file or available file of your choosing.
Put the file on an external storage, like a thumb drive. Load it and play it on a known good computer. ( I take it you are playing this file directly into the board as part of the mix, like you would a backing track or like that. ) If problem persist, might be the board. Return all settings to default or find someone who knows that board. Boards are a specialty in themselves. These are just ideas.
I eliminated a lot of problems, such as latency, when I started using a Tascam or other brand 8-track portable digital recorder. I'll make a Band in the Box track, save it as WAV, and plug the recorder into a USB and drag & drop into a folder on the digital recorder. Actually, you can save each track as individual WAV
and load them one by one onto the recorder's flash card, then load to individual tracks. This would be rare, but for a serious work.
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First, if you have immediate gigs coming up then by all means render these tracks to MP3 or even wav's if you have the space and just play them.
But the bigger picture is this sounds like a ASIO driver issue. I used to get that kind of thing every time I used ASIO on my old system. Any time people report glitches like this the standard reply was to not use ASIO and switch to the MME drivers. MME has latency but unless you're playing a midi controller live that doesn't matter. All you're doing is playing along so nobody cares if the song starts playing a third of a second after you hit the spacebar.
If this fixes it then later when you have time you can track down what the problem is with your ASIO driver. But, if you not playing any kind of midi controller be it a keyboard, a wind controller or guitar controller you don't need ASIO anyway.
Bob
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