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No what I mean is if I open the song do nothing but hit save it takes 48 seconds. Hit save again 15 seconds.
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I'm going to jump in about Audition because I use it a lot, I'll let the analysis as to whether or not this means anything at all to your problem go to all the other pro's trying to help you. Audition uses temp files to keep a copy of a track file each time you make an edit. I used to think PT/RB was very slow compared to Audition until I realized how this worked. If I've edited and mastered a 15 track song in Audition, the work flow is very fast compared to RB until you're done and want to save the session. Then you get a box saying "flushing files" or something like that for each track and it can take 3 or more minutes to save your session because it's going through that routine for each edit you made for each track. RB either doesn't create all those temp files for each edit, or it handles it completely differently. What that looks like to the user is do an audio cut and paste or grab a track with the mouse and slide it along the timeline in Audition and it's immediate while in RB those two functions takes like 30-40 seconds but go to save and RB saves in the same 30 seconds or so while Audition takes 3 and sometimes even 5 minutes. If someone is like me, I want to keep all the original raw audio tracks in one folder and keep all the individual mixed and tweaked tracks in another folder along with the final stereo mix. In order to do that you have to go through that "flushing files" dance for each track and follow the prompts so any time you saved during the mixing process is given back during the saving process. In actuality both programs work at about the same speed when you include the save times it's just that Audition allows for a much faster work flow while you're doing all those edits which is why I use it for final mixing and mastering.
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Interesting
RB (and PT) keep those edits somewhere too.
You can see the evidence in the undo routine, but I think they get ignored during save.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
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remember..
daws rely heavily on hard drive performance as one major factor of many.
seek times and many other factors like rpm n cache etc etc.
then there is memory speed as well as processor performance.
lots of things.
altho expensive the new i7 processor quad with hi performance drives is thrilling lots of daw
users , cos it outright smokes. try rb or ptw on one as a test if ones useing an old pc.
watch your jaw drop in amazement (as well as your bank account..lol.)
people are saying heavy projects that used to consume high 70 per cent are dropping into the high
teens. but i'm waiting frankly cos of price.
i bet the rb generation process would be lots faster on an i7 system.
a well as trak consolidates n mixdowns n seq saves n loads etc etc
with top notch drives.
best bet run a trial on one. n measure real world differences.
anyone useiong one ??
i7 laptops are now starting to appear...wowser.
retired puter engr....powertracks on amd......NICE !
"what is the black art of audio engineering ?"
my silly songs...motagator.com/bmanning
see my tips in the tips section.
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Have tried rolling back the nvidia drivers to older versions? Or to the latest if you don't have them?
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G'day John,
just had a thought - actually I was reading an old article relating to server performance and it reminded me of your problem.
Can you turn OFF hyperthreading in your notebook? If so you may find a noticeable improvement.
--=-- My credo: If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing - just ask my missus, she'll tell ya  --=--You're only paranoid if you're wrong!
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Lawrie,
How's things?
I turned it off with no improvement so turned it back on. Now I may have stumbled onto the answer but need more time to confirm. I did tried this way in the beginning and it didn't help. Maybe I just found the secrete hand shake. In audio Prefs I set I/O threads to "discreet thread-normal priority" . Rebooted and have been playing a number of songs with no problem. When I move back to "main thread" it stutters. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Before you give me the dickens I did try this before.
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G'day John,
all good here mate, thanks.
FWIW hyperthreading is usually not beneficial. Glad you seem to have found a workable solution.
--=-- My credo: If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing - just ask my missus, she'll tell ya --=--You're only paranoid if you're wrong!
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Can't duplicate the problem, and it sounds like it might be a hardware-specific issue or video-driver-related issue. I've probably mentioned this before, but I would recommend trying a smaller Track Buffer Size in the Audio Prefs and see if that helps.
Jeff
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I solved it by doing two things.
1. Using a discrete Thread with normal priority
2. Disabling Hyper Threading.
Doing either 1. or 2. did not fix. Had to be both.
I ran the Juke box for six hours and it never missed a beat.
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(Post deleted, there was an old email in my box, and I thought you were saying it happened again, sorry)
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Nope. With these settings it's been perfect. 
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