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Hi, real new and have just purchased the Pro version in Sept hoping to create backing tracks for vocal/acoustic guitar gigs. That's going ok but the pro version is certainly limiting with styles etc and will purchase other packs when I get my head around the options.
Midi...if I buy the Coyote Forte software will that give a "quality" sound to use as a backing track with the band styles and instruments included in the pro pack or do I need something else. I want to convert the tracks to MP3's.
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Welcome to the forum and to Band-in-a-Box. I noticed you had some questions about getting the trial version of Forte to work back in September. Did you get it working? Using the trial is the best way to determine if you will be satisfied with how Forte sounds. I assume you're wanting a multi timbrel sound module that can play all midi instruments at the same time. The other virtual software module that is similar is Cakewalk's TTS-1. The TTS-1 is a free accessory with Music Creator 7 available from PG Music ++ HERE ++ . Many people find either of the two programs sufficient but there is also many people that believe both Forte and TTS-1 are showing their age as they both first came out around 2005. Roland released the ++ Sound Canvas VA ++ in 2015. It is a software simulation of all the sound canvas hardware modules released in the 1990s & 2000s. It is expensive but those that have it say it sounds just like the hardware originals. If I paid $150 US for the program I'd say that too! An Italian company called Ketron makes what some say is the best sounding hardware sound modules available. You can find out more about them ++ HERE ++ Both Roland and Yamaha make high end (expensive) hardware sound modules. A quick search at Roland's or Yamaha's website will help you find them. A less expensive way to get a hardware sound module is to purchase an entry level Casio or Yamaha electronic keyboard with midi. Many keyboards like the ++ Casio CTK-3200 ++ are available around Christmas time.
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Jim,
I wasn't aware of the Sound Canvas VA. For $125 it's great value. SoundCanvas used to be my favourite VST in BIAB when I had Windows 32-bit. There do seem to be some limitations with the software, though. I'll need to research that a little more. (I'm getting the trial version as I type!)
Thanks for posting this information. I really appreciate it. You're a wealth of knowledge!
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Wish, Here's an alternative that might be worth thinking about.... As you will have discovered, the best sounds for BIAB backings come from using Realtracks. This is because they are audio recordings of the actual instruments. Moreover, the audio is played by world-class musicians. MIDI, on the other hand, is digital data that instructs synthesisers (software or hardware) to play a particular sound. Some of those sounds (like piano, organ, strings) can sound incredibly realistic with a good synthesiser. Many other sounds, however, do not have the same level of realism. For example: In my opinion, guitar sounds are generally ok but have not yet reached the same realism that is found with (say) piano. With the above in mind... Historically, PG Music release a new version of their Windows software in December. This has always been accompanied by great deals. Change-over prices from earlier versions of the software at this time usually offer great savings. If you want to get the best sounding backing tracks, you'd be better off to invest your dollars in upgrading from the ProPak to the UltraPlusPak; the UltraPlusPak is the first package that contains everything. That way you will get every Realtrack (over 2,000 of them) and every possible style. Below are links to the specifications of the two packages for comparison purposes. ProPak information... http://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.packages.pro.htmUltraPlusPak information... http://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.packages.ultra.htmIn short, what I'm saying is that in about one month's time, it's highly likely that PG Music will release a new version of BIAB (we never know in advance but it's been happening every year that I've been on the forum, since 2008). When this happens, great deals will be available and you'll be able to get a package that contains everything at a good price. Maybe that's a better option for money investment since then you will not need to by any add-ons. Just another thought. Regards, Noel
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Jim,
Regarding the Sound Canvas synth you mentioned above.
Do you know if anyone has managed to get any of these synths working in BIAB/RB on a Windows 64-bit system? I've tried the 32 bit and the 64 bit (using jbridge) versions but haven't managed to get a sound yet.
Sound Canvas works fine as a general midi synth in Reaper. I'm also guessing that they work on Windows 32-bit since the old Sound Canvas that came with BIAB used to work fine for me on Vista 32-bit.
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Hi, real new and have just purchased the Pro version in Sept hoping to create backing tracks for vocal/acoustic guitar gigs. That's going ok but the pro version is certainly limiting with styles etc and will purchase other packs when I get my head around the options.
Midi...if I buy the Coyote Forte software will that give a "quality" sound to use as a backing track with the band styles and instruments included in the pro pack or do I need something else. I want to convert the tracks to MP3's.
Thanks I would recommend that you buy Music Creator 7 from Cakewalk. I think PG also sells it. It's about $50 when it's not on sale and about $20 on the Cakewalk site when it is. It comes with TTS which is a good midi synth and generally equivalent to Coyote in regards to the patch sound quality. MC7 also includes The Cakewalk Sound Center which has some really nice sounding sampled things.... like strings, drums, pianos, basses, and even orchestral stuff. And it includes the complete Cakewalk Studio Instruments Suite. High quality instrument sounds. Personally, I think it's the best bang for the buck if you want good quality midi. PLUS..... you can buy more individual, specific sound packs fairly cheap..... And... you also get MC7 which is a killer, easy to use, really nice DAW. I used the MC series starting with MC4 ever since I got started in digital recording until a few years ago when I cross-graded to Sonar.
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The real question is what exactly are you looking for and how much are you willing to pay. If you are looking for a good GM synth you already have been given the best options. Personally I use the TTS-1 for my GM.
However if you want the best MIDI sounds you will need to spend more money. The starting point for this IMHO would be Kontakt and that runs around $400. You could also spend thousands of dollars on MIDI sounds, but that is way out of my price range. I use Kontakt as my go to MIDI sound source.
Note that no GM sounds will be as good as the expensive alternatives.
Other options is to get the free Kontakt Player or the free SampleTank 3 Player. There are many great sounding third party patches that play in the Kontakt Player, you just have to read the patch description to make sure. There are also patches that you can purchase for the SampleTank 3 Player. Note that these are not GM so you will have to set the MIDI track and channel for each sound. This is the same as the free SanpleTank 2.5 that comes with BiaB.
All of the above assumes that you have a knowledge of MIDI controls, i.e. CC numbers and pitch bend. These are not hard to learn. Remember if you take a BiaB MIDI track and play it on the best MIDI sound source available it could be very static sounding without some addition of MIDI controllers. This is not true of all BiaB MIDI tracks but it is for many of them.
Don't be afraid of MIDI but remember that there is a learning curve to get the best out of it.
I hope this helped.
{edit - addition} don't forget that you can mix and match and sounds from all of suggested sources thus far. That is you can have one track on a GM sound source, one track on the free Kontakt player and another track on the free Sampletank 3 Player. In other words you are not limited to one sound source.
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Jim,
Regarding the Sound Canvas synth you mentioned above.
Do you know if anyone has managed to get any of these synths working in BIAB/RB on a Windows 64-bit system? I've tried the 32 bit and the 64 bit (using jbridge) versions but haven't managed to get a sound yet.
Sound Canvas works fine as a general midi synth in Reaper. I'm also guessing that they work on Windows 32-bit since the old Sound Canvas that came with BIAB used to work fine for me on Vista 32-bit.
Regards,
Noel Noel, Perhaps so but I don't remember reading a post where anyone stated they purchased the Sound Canvas VA and used it with Band-in-a-Box or RealBand. Roland's Sound Canvas VA webpage is filled with performance disclaimers. Here is a quote about using a bit bridge: " No plugin bridge will enable to run 32bit SOUND Canvas VA on 64bit OS/DAW environment." Roland has verified proper operation with Cubase 7 and Cubase 8. Roland has verified issues with Sonar, Ableton Live, Digital Performer, GarageBand, Logic and Studio One. Here's Roland's quotes regarding why there is a trial version: " A trial version of SOUND Canvas VA is available. Use this trial to verify how the plug-in operates in your setup before purchasing it.", " For questions regarding your host application, please contact the vendor of your application." and the ever popular " We do not confirm compatible with SOUND Canvas VA other than that above the DAW software." I do not take those quotes as robust support, more like purchase at your own risk.
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Last time I tried the Roland VA Sound Canvas demo - as part of a previous similar question I WAS able to get the 64-bit version to work in BAIB with JBridge.
BUT if I remember correctly IT DOES NOT respond to program (aka patch) changes using PTPA or RB or BIAB. You have to manually assign patches/sounds to channels plus. And initially, PG did not allow for proper sizing of the VSTi pop-up window for SC VA (and a few other newer ones like GPO5) - I reported that, as did others, and PG DID correct this VST window size issue a few updates ago.
If you search you should see my review - I still have a SC-8850, big brother of SC-8820, the patches are ALMOST identical (a few and we are talking very few less than 20'ish?) between the HW units. Roland's VA Sound Canvas is a copy of the SC-8820 - and where patches match (99%) doing an A/B test I cannot tell ANY difference (but I have tinnitus so take that with a grain of NaCl)
Except under some very specific conditions (mobility - laptop/notebook ONLY and cannot afford or do not want additional external HW; and I had an absolute requirement that all my songs MUST use Roland SC GM/GS sound library, ...) then:
If all you want is a GM sound lib I WOULD NOT pay current asking price ($125) for Roland's VA SC (unless you have money to burn). Especially not for use with PG SW (it doesn't respond to program changes) and not when you can get TTS-1 for $49, via buying Cakewalk's Music Creator 7, or Coyote Forte for $40.
You can also (maybe) get a copy of the older SampleTank 2 and buy the OmniSynth 2 lib add-on for $5-10 (all ST2 libs are on sale at eSoundz for that price every few months!)- but note while Omnisynth 2 will play in Sampletank 3 it will NOT FUNCTION or RESPOND AS a GM library!
It has nothing to do with sound quality (I LIKE my SC-8850 and it's GM sounds) but it's just too much money for a GM VSTi/DXi plugin sound lib in today's market - especially one as finicky and picky as this Roland (essentially) "abandoned-ware" is.
Larry
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Really glad to hear from Larry Kehl as he is correct this conversation is essentially a rerun of ++ this ++ conversation.
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Thanks Jim
I could not find that thread (I'm getting to stupid to use a computer).
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@wish
There are plenty of free virtual instruments vts on google.
It may be easy using RealBand for this.
This is a good starting point before outlaying any $$$
To export to mp3 get K-Lite codec pak.
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Ok, thanks and lots to get my head around here.
I haven't tried the sample coyote version - either forgot or didn't realize it was available to demo.
I don't need too many sounds, just drums, bass and depending on the music either some backing sax/clarinet or banjo/ slide guitar etc. I'm happy to play any lead breaks that are necessary.
If I could convert some of the midi real bands to a decent sound the put them into an MP3 format I would be happy.
Will also wait with interest in the forthcoming upgrades.
Let me absorb the posts and see if I get myself an answer so will get back.
I have an old Gold star midi keyboard and an old Edirol um 1 interface cable which doesn't work with windows 10 but will worry about that later.
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Also: http://realband.org/usertracks.html has a list with all the forum tracks.
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I don't need too many sounds, just drums, bass and depending on the music either some backing sax/clarinet or banjo/ slide guitar etc. I'm happy to play any lead breaks that are necessary.
If I could convert some of the midi real bands to a decent sound the put them into an MP3 format I would be happy.
THis sounds to me like the MC7 Cakewalk deal would suit the bill perfectly. You get the drums and bass in the Studio INstruments package. Unless you step up to some of the really high dollar sample libraries..... Think Kontakt and above, AND.... you know how to program the nuances of these particular instruments, you will not be able to get a believable sound from the midi banjo, guitar, or slide guitar. As good as midi is on some things.... bass and drums, and piano.... it's really not very good on the lower end of the sample/patch scale on other things..... woodwinds, brass, fiddles, and guitars to name a few. That is where you need to learn how to do audio editing and work with the Real Tracks from Real Band to get what you need. You can actually get the real tracks sounding excellent with a bit of effort editing. The other option is to have a live, talented, player willing to record that track for you.
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Another option is to get a VSTi Soundfont player. While older technology, there are still some good GM soundfont libraries (many free) available. My favorite is the 32MB Reality Soundfont (actually, I think it's listed as the 31.9MB Reality Soundfont), which is pretty well balanced between instruments and at least to my ears, is pretty close to the TTS-1 as far as sounds are concerned. You can find the Reality Soundfont via a Google search, or PM me and I can put it on Box.net or something. You would need a VSTi soundfont player to use soundfonts, however. I'm sure there are some free ones, but two that I have are: The Fantasize VSTi Soundfont Player from Syntheway is $29, so it doesn't break the bank. There is also a demo version available to try before you commit. There is also Kenneth Rundt's Synthfont, for which he requests a $17 donation to get rid of the nag screen, but otherwise it's free and you can definitely try it out. He has a plug-in call VSTSynthFont, for which there are both 32-bit and 64-bit versions. May not be what you are looking for, but definitely better than the Microsoft MIDI sounds (which is only what you get with the Coyote WT, since it just wraps those sounds), not as good as other sound sources you pay for, but definitely gets you going and as a VSTi, allows you to render directly to audio.
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