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I have an issue with the way Band in a Box treats time signatures, partially when trying to create songs in 6/8, 12/8 or 2/2. Any time I try to write a song using the 6/8 styles provided, they end up being treat as if they where 4/4 styles, the same goes with 12/8 styles. Now, as far as 2/2 or cut time goes, and I know I'm beating the ol' horse to death, there is no recognition for that at all. For me, being able to write a song in cut it is a must for me. I have a ton of songs I would like to create but because they are in 2/2, I can't write them. No, I don't want a Ev16 or Sw16, or a fast 4/4, I want cut time. Please get this fixed soon. I really enjoy your product and I really love the ability to even request such a feature.
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I supported your request in your other thread. I think there is one more necessary change, which I have written about, and that is being able to select half or double-time in RealDrums like you can in RealTracks.
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Yes, sending another vote your way
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This has been suggested many times and every time I +1 for all time signatures, 6/8, 12/8, 5/4, 7/4 etc.
So another +1!
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being able to select half or double-time in RealDrums.
THIS!!
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should!
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Elsewhere in discussion on another 6/8 topic it was written: "- Having an option to toggle notation display between 4/4 and 12/8 for any track would be good too ( similar toggle for 3/4 and 9/8) " I'm lending further support to this long overdue requirement. +1
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massive +1 for the time signatures
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))) Now, as far as 2/2 or cut time goes, and I know I'm beating the ol' horse to death, there is no recognition for that at all. For me, being able to write a song in cut it is a must for me. I have a ton of songs I would like to create but because they are in 2/2, I can't write them. No, I don't want a Ev16 or Sw16, or a fast 4/4, I want cut time
What is an example of a well known piece of music that you want to enter in 2/2.
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Here's one: http://mattfinley.com/promos/cuttime.pdf2/2 or cut time or alla breve is a lot of fun to explain. The following is what I think I know. Like almost everyone else, I count off a cut-time song by saying 1,2 1,2 but it also could be 1,3 1,3 to correspond to how it's written. This is because the notation appears the same as if it's in 4/4. The only difference is how you "feel" the strongest beats, or in other words when you tap your foot. You would not tap four beats per bar in cut time, only two, but do it on the 4/4 beats of 1 and 3. Many fakebook charts of Brazilian sambas are written in cut time, with the tempo marking of a half-note equals somewhere around 100 bpm, like my Jobim example above. This makes sense because of the two-feel and the normally fast tempo. The Bossa nova, derived from samba, is counted in 4/4 but the bass (or bass string of the guitar) will play straight half notes. At least, that's the way I learned it, and my drummers all understand me OK. I do have to admit, other fakebooks may write the same song in 2/4 or 4/4. I would have preferred to see the BIAB styles for samba made for tempos of around half-note = 95 or 100, instead of quarter-note = 190. I assume this would be a massive rewrite, so if you could, please add the ability of the RealDrums to accept half-time or double-time in the picker dialog, in the same way we can do with RealTracks. This would give me the flexibility to write sambas in BIAB at tempos around 100.
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>> I would have preferred to see the BIAB styles for samba made for tempos of around half-note = 95 or 100, instead of quarter-note = 190.
Hi Matt,
Yes, it would be good if had a cut-time version of a Samba. As you know, in Band-in-a-Box, we use "16" to indicate a cut-time style and "8" to indicate a normal (non cut time style).
We don't have any cut-time samba styles, but we have a bunch of cut-time MIDI samba styles. I got to the list by filtering the stylepicker by Ev16 and typing in samba as a filter.
List of MIDI Samba Cut-Time Styles
=DOGS_BJ
DogSamba
Marimba
Janeiro
-TekSa0+
-Marimba
TekSamb
-WHISPER
Whisper
-SALSA^1
-SALP^04
-RUMBF^5
-L_CHURR
Samba7
SambaSal
SalsaRos
RIKY_MED
MDON_LAT
Enrique
L_CONGA
L~SERENA
L_CHURRO
JAZSAMBA
SAMBA
And we have some good cut-time Samba drum styles like LaPopJazzSambaEv16
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Matt, I agree with you 100%. With my situation I'm using the chord progrssions from calypso and soca songs whre the use of syncopation is heavly used. It's not ike the use of cut time is to replace the fast four or making easier to understand, the cut is ment to used as cut time. Here is an example of a soca tune wirtten in cut time. Please pay close attention to how the melody plays and notice when the notes come in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF4enbTqPPU
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Peter, yes, I have always watched those 8 and 16 entries carefully. Thanks, that's a great MIDI list. If I understand correctly, if you could add the double-time option to RealDrums, we would be able to use corresponding RealTracks to simulate cut time.
Islansoul, I do hear this song clearly in cut time. But is there a chart that shows it?
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>>> If I understand correctly, if you could add the double-time option to RealDrums, we would be able to use corresponding RealTracks to simulate cut time.
Yes, but you can already use an existing 16th note cut-time samba style like LaPopJazzSambaEv16
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Interesting, I'll try that, thank you. Are there more?
And is it possible to add half/double time to RealDrums?
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Islansoul, In Biab, we call cut-time styles "16" and non cut-time styles "8". We have 1,400 Ev16 (cut-time) styles For example, SOCA1.sty is a Ev16 cut-time Soca style (MIDI) Tempo=100 http://demos.pgmusic.com/audio/allstyledemos2/SOCA1.m4aalternate version with a swing feel Tempo=100 http://demos.pgmusic.com/audio/allstyledemos2/SOCA1_RD.m4a>> Here is an example of a soca tune wirtten in cut time. Please pay close attention to how the melody plays and notice when the notes come in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF4enbTqPPUSo I am playing close attention, and please educate me on what about these styles is not meeting your defintion of cut-time. The sound I'm hearing from these styles is very similar to youtube demo
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