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#376215 11/23/16 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: Pipeline
This will work with the BB Chord Output Track also, I have the last version below in RealBand, you can put your key switches in another track set to Kontakt as well for pattern changes, open string between changes etc..

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/guitar/session-guitarist-strummed-acoustic-2/









Hang in there guys, last year at this time the product went on a 50% sale. It could happen again.

But I did not wait. So I am trying to figure this VST out. It is a bit unusual for me. The best explanation for my confusion appears to be a comment I read, "..this type of VST is aimed at Keyboardists/MIDI Controller Users".

It appears it will NOT follow a midi chord chart exported from BIAB (like the Toontracks EZK does so nice). You have to actually play the chords and record as you play. Not necessarily a show stopper for me since I have a midi control keyboard and a moderate level of skill. It does insert as a VST into Reaper, but I have yet to figure out any way to record (midi or audio) from what is played.

Pipeline, Any words of wisdom?

anyway

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Dan, I'm confused here are you saying it won't follow a MIDI chord track or that it won't follow a BIAB chord sheet. The ability of it to follow chords inputted into BIAB is my primary reason for looking at it. If it can't do that, then my interest drops off the page. Do appreciate you jumping in early for a first preview of the software.

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Working on it now. Hope to get it figured out soon and will let you know.


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Hang in there guys, last year at this time the product went on a 50% sale. It could happen again.

Looks like they put the version 1 on sale for 50% off but left 2 at full price! Dang.

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Have you got the midi note range 60-84 if not just transpose by 12st til it's in range, set Kontakt Midi In to Omni or the same channel.
Put your red key switches in to change patterns, add D# for open string before chord change if you want it more realistic.

EDIT: In the Playback tab set the latch mode to stop, you also have shots, holds and Endings switches you can add.


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Let the Buyer Beware.

Major set back, the application simply disappeared on my machine. I have contacted support and opened a ticket!! V2 may not be ready for showtime.

In the limited time it was available on my machine it appeared to work well but I was not able to record any midi into my DAW. Simply a button somewhere which I could not find. Then it disappeared.

thanks Pipeline for the verification that it should work as intended. But right now I am anything but thankful....

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Oh-oh....OK I'm on hold and on the fence. Let's us know how it all resolves.

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Originally Posted By: jazzmandan
Let the Buyer Beware.

Major set back, the application simply disappeared on my machine ? from folder or app as in Kontakt ? or it disappeared out of Kontakt, in standalone or VST and in what DAW ?. I have contacted support and opened a ticket!! V2 may not be ready for showtime.

In the limited time it was available on my machine it appeared to work well but I was not able to record any midi into my DAW. Simply a button somewhere which I could not find. Then it disappeared.

thanks Pipeline for the verification that it should work as intended. But right now I am anything but thankful....

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Oh-oh....OK I'm on hold and on the fence. Let's us know how it all resolves.

Jeff


Jeff, I am up and running again. My support tickets remain open (they claim it may take several days to respond). In the meantime I was able to download the Kontakt v5.6 player and install it over the prior install. When I did this the Session Guitarist v2 reappeared.

That is the good news,

Bad news is this will likely take me a bit longer than I thought to figure out. Kontakt in Reaper is not a simple plug and play. So you may not want to wait for my go/nogo. Pipeline says he has it running in RB (which I don't use). I can tell you in standalone mode, just playing from my keyboard, it sounds great and is as cool as I thought it would be. But obviously I need it to integrate into my workflow with Reaper and BIAB in order to use it to make music. That will take me some time to verify.


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Have a look here http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=376549#Post376549

It will work easy in Reaper, just load it in track 1 BB Output Chord track, put your pattern key switches on track 2 and add a send to track 1

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Hey...anyone else having problems with the latest Kontakt upgrade? I installed it on my Win 7 machine and it stopped working completely. Had to roll back to a previous version.

A completely separate issue...is anyone else seeing the color coding of the onscreen keyboard disappearing? I used to have color coded keys for key switches and various segmenting of the keyboard but now they are all white.

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OK, thanks for the update Dan. I'd be using it in the full Kontakt 5.6.1 and RB so I might be able to avoid some of the issues. But, I'll wait till I get more info from you. As it stands, it seems that only version 1 is on sale so no hurry to get version 2.

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Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn
Hey...anyone else having problems with the latest Kontakt upgrade? I installed it on my Win 7 machine and it stopped working completely. Had to roll back to a previous version.

A completely separate issue...is anyone else seeing the color coding of the onscreen keyboard disappearing? I used to have color coded keys for key switches and various segmenting of the keyboard but now they are all white.


That is the biggest complaint over on Kontakt. The color coded keys were replaced with a small colored dot just above the key. I will not upgrade until that is returned to the colored key days.


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Mario,
I see you over in the Kontakt forum commenting on the colors. Good to recognize friends in different forums.

Jeff
I am making progress, but it is slow. I am confident it will eventually work. Huge learning curve to set up Kontakt for me. I am watching videos and reading what I can.

1) I can now play via my keyboard controller, but while I was able to record last night, today I can't record what I play?? Not sure what changed.

2) Still not able to insert a BIAB midi chord file and hear anything in reaper. I can see the midi notes on the track in the right areas (c3 - c4), I can even use my mouse to click on the same midi track and I hear it, but the BIAB midi notes are mute??

I guess I need Pipeline to "make a video" just for ME. Or let him log onto my machine via Teamviewer and push the right buttons for me. But that would be imposing????


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So are you saying that it will NOT play anything midi that BB exports?

If it's midi, and the DAW supports both midi (in all of it's variations) and the DAW can run plugins and VST's without any reservations, that should work perfectly. Just like any other synth.

Maybe I'm not grasping the full ramifications of this discussion.


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So are you saying that it will NOT play anything midi that BB exports?

You under stand that correct.
Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker

If it's midi, and the DAW supports both midi (in all of it's variations) and the DAW can run plugins and VST's without any reservations, that should work perfectly. Just like any other synth.

I agree with you 100%
Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker

Maybe I'm not grasping the full ramifications of this discussion.

It is also a mystery to me.

Good to know that what I am saying is being understood crazy




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What DAW is being used?


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Reaper.

But wait... I just discovered the BIAB midi track which I output will not play in anything (windows player or with any other VST). It has all the notes but NO Sound. So back to the drawing board.


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Are you connecting the synths properly? Midi should be midi and if it's not making noise, something isn't connected in the software properly.

That has been my experience. When I get the time, I will try that experiment for myself.


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OMG, I found the button!!!

All the BIAB midi was set to Channel 3. I need to select all in Reaper and in Note Properties Set the Channel to 1.

Will have to write that down somewhere.


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