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I'm starting to think they simply overlooked to think of the Harmonies when they came up with adding Plugins, or at least the cases where the Harmony voice is supposed to differ from the melody instrument, I should add. I've been wrecking my brain over this and can't seem to find the right way  So...how do you do it??
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Eddie,
I'm not quite sure what you mean. Can you offer a little more detail as to what you would like to achieve? What plugins (PG Music and other) are you referring to?
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BiaB Supports the TC Helicon harmonizer Not sure if this is something like you are looking for? There are better products though IMHO.
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Eddie,
I'm not quite sure what you mean. Can you offer a little more detail as to what you would like to achieve? What plugins (PG Music and other) are you referring to? I'm talking about the old "Melody Harmony" feature that's been a part of BBox for ages. Let's for example take Harmony #13, "Trumpet/Sax 3rds", which when you use the default synth sound source gives you not one but two instruments (trumpet & sax) playing together in 3rds for the melody channel. Now, I happen to have a much better plugin sounds for trumpet than the default synth sound, and the same goes for sax, so I would prefer to use those instead. But how? I can (as far as I know) only use one plugin sound per channel, but the melody channel in my example is supposed to have two different sounds via this harmony...am I now making sense of the problem?
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BiaB Supports the TC Helicon harmonizer Not on the Mac, nope, and I'm NOT talking about audio harmonising anyway.
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.......... Now, I happen to have a much better plugin sounds for trumpet than the default synth sound, and the same goes for sax, so I would prefer to use those instead. But how? ......... Can't do it. Far as I can see, the harmony editor is restricted to the GM bank of the default synth. It's always been this way. Whether by design or oversight, only PG would know.
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That's pretty much what I was afraid of, yup. Silver lining: At least it's not my oversight 
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BiaB Supports the TC Helicon harmonizer Not on the Mac, nope, and I'm NOT talking about audio harmonising anyway. OK, understood. The words "Harmony voice" were used in the original request. That's how I came to believe you were looking at audio harmonizing.
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BiaB Supports the TC Helicon harmonizer Not on the Mac, nope, and I'm NOT talking about audio harmonising anyway. OK, understood. The words "Harmony voice" were used in the original request. That's how I came to believe you were looking at audio harmonizing. I realised that afterwards, which in return is the reason for the caps there. My bad if it came across as unintentional irritation.
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I do this all the time, but I've always used hardware MIDI - Mostly Ketron these days.. The drag to me is that it never got updated to support higher banks (where all the good sounds are.) For that you have to go to Real Band and manually enter the patch #s (which is what I suspect you will have to do.)
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I'm on a Mac, so make that what you "suspect I can't do", and you got it 
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I do this all the time, but I've always used hardware MIDI - Mostly Ketron these days.. The drag to me is that it never got updated to support higher banks (where all the good sounds are.) For that you have to go to Real Band and manually enter the patch #s (which is what I suspect you will have to do.) I'm on a Mac, so make that what you "suspect I can't do", and you got it Since PhillyJazz can make this work all the time and exports his midi track to a DAW (RB) to manually edit the patch #'s, is Realband necessary to be the DAW? Why wouldn't any sequencer/DAW work to edit the file to change patch #'s? Charlie
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Since PhillyJazz can make this work all the time and exports his midi track to a DAW (RB) to manually edit the patch #'s, is Realband necessary to be the DAW? Why wouldn't any sequencer/DAW work to edit the file to change patch #'s? You make a very good point there. I really need to get a grip on this "we don't have RB" complex of mine, eh
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Hi icelander, I hope this answer your question. I have tried this before since it is an issue trying to use better sounds as you said. When I apply a harmony to an instrument I export that track to a midi file or use the drop feature in BIB, then I bring that midi into my DAW (I use Sony Acid Pro). I should come in separated by tracks including the main instruments and the harmony ones whatever they may be. There you can use your favorite VST or Softsynth. Works for me.
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Yes, there is of course always the "take it to daw" workaround for pretty much anything. But this to me counts as taking the long route, which I generally think works against PG's interests (not to mention being cumbersome for the user). This one at least seems like something they could resolve, more like a mere oversight of some sort.
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Since PhillyJazz can make this work all the time and exports his midi track to a DAW (RB) to manually edit the patch #'s, is Realband necessary to be the DAW? Why wouldn't any sequencer/DAW work to edit the file to change patch #'s? You make a very good point there. I really need to get a grip on this "we don't have RB" complex of mine, eh I never gave thought to you having a complex but viewed the situation as a workflow issue. I've on occasion come across something that should be a simple task and not be able to either figure out how to do it or if it is available to do in RB. Quicker to do it in another DAW, especially if there is no regeneration of a track to do. This leads to my thoughts on your last statement Yes, there is of course always the "take it to daw" workaround for pretty much anything. But this to me counts as taking the long route, which I generally think works against PG's interests (not to mention being cumbersome for the user). This one at least seems like something they could resolve, more like a mere oversight of some sort. I've concluded over time BB considers moving to a DAW more of a workflow circumstance than a workaround circumstance. To me, the fact PGMusic developed the DAW button and drag/drop protocols, indicates they do not consider BB to be a DAW and concede that it makes for a better workflow to move tracks to a DAW of choice for further processing and continue to develop BB as an audio/midi generating software. I use RB as much as I can but I have other software that accomplishes some tasks more efficiently. Charlie
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A lot of sensibility in that train of logic, I must admit.
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