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I started out many years ago with a Korg WT12 as you could use it for acoustic instruments as well as plug in a guitar or bass. When the Intellitouch came out, I jumped on the "clip on" bandwagon and used that on guitars and basses for many years. Then a few Black Fridays ago, the Snark came on sale for under $10 and I bought several, some for me, some for family and friends. Not sure why rockstar_not had problems with his but all mine work great. Next I came across a capo from China that had a built-in tuner, and for $20 I figured I'd give it a try. Been using it ever since. Finally (another Black Friday sale) I picked up a few d'Addario minis https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/NSMicroClip2PKThey're small and unobtrusive and I leave one permanently attached to both my banjo and my ukulele. LLOYD S
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Yep you're right Herb, as I play up the neck they go of tune, so must try to change them a little more often.
I have an old ES 335 copy which doesn't hold the tuning very well, even though I have put on Grover machine heads and got it setup by a luthier. I have put it down to either the wood in guitar reacting to room temperature or me being a bit heavy handed when playing it without using an amp.
The Martin custom light strings I use on the acoustic are very inexpensive, but don't know if using cheaper strings is a false economy in the long run.
Now for some string changing......Thanks for the Sweetwater link Bob.
Musiclover regarding the ES-335 .... He's a band story. I played in a band with another guitarist. He had a really nice Strat (the real ones, not the import) and I had my Gibson SG. We'd both have new strings, properly stretched, and tuned with my Conn Strobetuner. 2 guitars in perfect tune. Into the first song, I'd often see him checking his tuning with his inline tuner. And this would go on all night. My guitar on the other hand kept perfect tune all night. I'd check it anyway to tweeze it before each set. I asked him about the guitar he had and the apparent tuning issues. He'd taken it to a luthier to have it set up and checked and it came back supposedly perfect. That night, same deal. So I suggest that we swap guitars for a set. I'd play his and he, mine. Wanna guess what happened? If you said that now my SG was having tuning issues... you'd be right...and his Strat with me playing it kept perfect tune for the entire set. It was his hand technique and pressure that he was using. He was subconsciously pushing or pulling the strings and making them sound out of tune. Once he was made aware of the issue, he was able to work on it and develop a lighter touch and the tuning issue disappeared.
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Korg CA-10 Chromatic Tuner. No longer in production but Korg offers multiple tuners in the CA series of tuners. All the CA tuners have a large LCD display, high impedance instrument plug or internal microphone and 1 cent precision. The newer tuners have a speaker to produce tones for tuning by ear. Love the LCD display as it mimics tuning to a needle.
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That first one looks like an old Sabine? tuner that every steel player & his mother used back in the day! My main one is a Korg Pitchblack Best tuner I have ever had, and believe it or not is right on with most every Peterson I have compared it with. My practice tuner is a Arion UM-70 Chromatic Auto Tuner with Metronome. Clips on the lip of the music stand, 2 batteries last about a year, and the metronome, besides have some good sub-divisions, gets LOUD when needed. When practicing / running thru software I use what ever the program has, unless it is a "serious" take. 
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Yep you're right Herb, as I play up the neck they go of tune, so must try to change them a little more often.
I have an old ES 335 copy which doesn't hold the tuning very well, even though I have put on Grover machine heads and got it setup by a luthier. I have put it down to either the wood in guitar reacting to room temperature or me being a bit heavy handed when playing it without using an amp.
The Martin custom light strings I use on the acoustic are very inexpensive, but don't know if using cheaper strings is a false economy in the long run.
Now for some string changing......Thanks for the Sweetwater link Bob.
Musiclover regarding the ES-335 .... He's a band story. I played in a band with another guitarist. He had a really nice Strat (the real ones, not the import) and I had my Gibson SG. We'd both have new strings, properly stretched, and tuned with my Conn Strobetuner. 2 guitars in perfect tune. Into the first song, I'd often see him checking his tuning with his inline tuner. And this would go on all night. My guitar on the other hand kept perfect tune all night. I'd check it anyway to tweeze it before each set. I asked him about the guitar he had and the apparent tuning issues. He'd taken it to a luthier to have it set up and checked and it came back supposedly perfect. That night, same deal. So I suggest that we swap guitars for a set. I'd play his and he, mine. Wanna guess what happened? If you said that now my SG was having tuning issues... you'd be right...and his Strat with me playing it kept perfect tune for the entire set. It was his hand technique and pressure that he was using. He was subconsciously pushing or pulling the strings and making them sound out of tune. Once he was made aware of the issue, he was able to work on it and develop a lighter touch and the tuning issue disappeared. Good information there Herb, Thanks, Even though the ES335 is a semi solid and will sound a little louder than a unamplified solid guitar, thee is no point in playing it, as if it was an acoustic and playing harder just to get it to sound louder. Maybe a lighter touch in future (not that I play it that often) Musiclover
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Yep you're right Herb, as I play up the neck they go of tune, so must try to change them a little more often.
I have an old ES 335 copy which doesn't hold the tuning very well, even though I have put on Grover machine heads and got it setup by a luthier. I have put it down to either the wood in guitar reacting to room temperature or me being a bit heavy handed when playing it without using an amp.
The Martin custom light strings I use on the acoustic are very inexpensive, but don't know if using cheaper strings is a false economy in the long run.
Now for some string changing......Thanks for the Sweetwater link Bob.
Musiclover regarding the ES-335 .... He's a band story. I played in a band with another guitarist. He had a really nice Strat (the real ones, not the import) and I had my Gibson SG. We'd both have new strings, properly stretched, and tuned with my Conn Strobetuner. 2 guitars in perfect tune. Into the first song, I'd often see him checking his tuning with his inline tuner. And this would go on all night. My guitar on the other hand kept perfect tune all night. I'd check it anyway to tweeze it before each set. I asked him about the guitar he had and the apparent tuning issues. He'd taken it to a luthier to have it set up and checked and it came back supposedly perfect. That night, same deal. So I suggest that we swap guitars for a set. I'd play his and he, mine. Wanna guess what happened? If you said that now my SG was having tuning issues... you'd be right...and his Strat with me playing it kept perfect tune for the entire set. It was his hand technique and pressure that he was using. He was subconsciously pushing or pulling the strings and making them sound out of tune. Once he was made aware of the issue, he was able to work on it and develop a lighter touch and the tuning issue disappeared. Good information there Herb, Thanks, Even though the ES335 is a semi solid and will sound a little louder than a unamplified solid guitar, thee is no point in playing it, as if it was an acoustic and playing harder just to get it to sound louder. Maybe a lighter touch in future (not that I play it that often) Musiclover Just out of curiosity, what thickness of pick do you use? I've found myself going to thicker picks as time goes on, and use more regulated picking hand motion with a lighter fretting hand effort. I used to use medium thickness (Fender reference) as my thickest pick and over time, on all the stringed instruments I play (Acoustic, electric and electric bass), I have migrated to heavier and heavier picks as my confidence has increased. This seems to naturally make my opposite hand also relax some. Might or might not be a help to you as well.
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Another good question since we are on the subject of guitar bits and pieces. I myself like the .73 Jim Dunlop picks. I have tried lots but keep coming back to these, to get a better grip I use a little trick I read about on net, putting a hole in middle of pick with one of those things you use to make a hole in belt. Leather hole Punch Does seem to help. Musiclover
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I've been using the .88 mm Dunlop Tortex picks, for the last 25 years or so.
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Speaking about Dunlop picks: as for me the best on the market! I use a 0.88 pick:tried thousands other pics, returning always to this!
As for tuner, I own a Boss tu-3 pedal tuner that I use for bass and guitar, and a Korg Ca-1 chromatic tuner I use for flute and saxophone. They run always flawlessly!
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My main pick is a Peavy 1.14mm. If I want that twangy 1960's 12 string sound I use an ultra flexible Fretwerx pick. I also have a felt pick that I sometimes use on my basses.
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Old fashioned here... still using the tuning fork ... "gimme an A", the rest is history! 
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Old fashioned here... still using the tuning fork ... "gimme an A", the rest is history! Ah the Tuning fork, remember when a small kid at school the teacher would strike it on the edge of her desk, then get is all to to sing the Doh, ray, Me fa Soh, and try to guess the intervals. Great if you were good at that kind of thing, but unfortunately I wasn't. That alone and a feeling of pressure that you had to be good, didn't make the music lessons that enjoyable. Musiclover
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And we go from the tuning fork to my favorite, the Peterson StobroClip. I made use of their "sweetened" tuning for my resonator guitar. It opened my ears to a whole world.
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on guitar (and anything I need to tune, really) a Boss TU12..
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I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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