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Hi All and Happy Weekend to Everyone,
I'm new to this forum and getting ready to use BIAB 2016 so have a lot of homework to do with familiarizing myself. I had BIAB way back in 2001 but the software has come a long way since then.
Although I was familiar with BIAB as well as using hardware sequencers and VS series of recording workstations, I've only been doing totally "In The Box" DAW stuff for about three years. My first batch of mixes then...compared to what I do now...SUCKS!! (LOL!)
So I've been wondering how best to import older stems to BIAB and do remixes. Anyway, here's some questions:
1.) Can BIAB interpret wave files? (so I can import stems and experiment with different real tracks (oops wrong wording? sorry)
2.) Importing midi for solo tracks? For example if I create a lead guitar solo on my midi keyboard, can I import that to BIAB and experiment with the different real tracks/sounds in the same manner as I experiment with different amp simulators in my DAW for tone?
3.) Working with reference tracks in BIAB and Real Band?
Can I just leave imported reference tracks alone while making adjustments in BIAB and Real Band?
Thanks in advance for any advice. Once I have the software installed (new computer coming) I will be a bit better with description of questions than now. Sorry if I'm confusing folks.
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If you did the older songs in an older version of BIAB and still have the .SGU or .MGU files then you should be able to open them in BIAB 2016 and quickly re-work them different styles which will including real tracks and also super midi and other new features.
Other than that; BIAB would not be the program for importing multiple stems of .wav or .aaif etc...
However, to answer Q#1: Yes, you can use any one of your single .wav tracks that contain mostly chords and/or single notes and have it interpret the chords and closely auto build a BIAB chord sheet for you. This seems to work best if you do not import the whole song mix but only import something like a strumming acoustic guitar or piano mono track that plays consistently through all or most of the song.
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The answer to each of your three questions is yes.
If you are importing audio or with midi, you have access to a better workflow and more tracks available using RealBand.
If you have questions when working on a particular file, you will get a better response to the specific issue when you encounter it during a project. Just come onto the forum for specific advice.
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Hi All and Happy Weekend to Everyone,
I'm new to this forum and getting ready to use BIAB 2016 so have a lot of homework to do with familiarizing myself. I had BIAB way back in 2001 but the software has come a long way since then.
Although I was familiar with BIAB as well as using hardware sequencers and VS series of recording workstations, I've only been doing totally "In The Box" DAW stuff for about three years. My first batch of mixes then...compared to what I do now...SUCKS!! (LOL!)
So I've been wondering how best to import older stems to BIAB and do remixes. Anyway, here's some questions:
1.) Can BIAB interpret wave files? (so I can import stems and experiment with different real tracks (oops wrong wording? sorry)
2.) Importing midi for solo tracks? For example if I create a lead guitar solo on my midi keyboard, can I import that to BIAB and experiment with the different real tracks/sounds in the same manner as I experiment with different amp simulators in my DAW for tone?
3.) Working with reference tracks in BIAB and Real Band?
Can I just leave imported reference tracks alone while making adjustments in BIAB and Real Band?
Thanks in advance for any advice. Once I have the software installed (new computer coming) I will be a bit better with description of questions than now. Sorry if I'm confusing folks. LinMar, I'm doing the same thing so I'll be following this topic with great interest. Thanks for starting this. I know several here who are in the same canoe wanting to improve very old files. Donny
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Thanks for the quick reply sir. I was just about to do a "P.S." to this post.
4th question...converting from wav to midi and midi to wav? Specifically for when I want to create my own say "Guitar Solo" using my midi keyboard. Does BIAB have the ability to read the midi and do generating from that?
5.) I'm also wondering about individual drum tones from midi drum sequencers? Can Real Band and/or BIAB import those as well so I can do advance tweaking in my DAW? after?
Ah...so many questions...so little patience ha ha!
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#4 - For BIAB - No. But some RealTracks have Real Charts and so midi can play those notes. Real Charts are transcriptions of RealTrack audio.
#5 - RealBand is a DAW and individual drum tracks can be imported and have processing done to them.
Little patience ... You may have to work on that. As with anything worthwhile, time and patience are paramount.... <G>
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Hi
To create a midi file from a wave file you can use melodyne. Just import the wave file, make sure the tempo is correct and then export as midi. I do it all the time with my vocal line.
Regards
Ps if you don't have melodyne and would like me to do it for you send me a pm
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Hi Joanne, What's MELODYNE it is a transcription software? Hi
To create a midi file from a wave file you can use melodyne. Just import the wave file, make sure the tempo is correct and then export as midi. I do it all the time with my vocal line.
Regards
Ps if you don't have melodyne and would like me to do it for you send me a pm
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Hi Joanne,
What's MELODYNE it is a transcription software?
Melodyne: Wikipedia Tuning Vocals
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Hi Joanne,
Thats a very interesting reply on Melodyne,
1.When you export the midi file of your voice to BIAB will the resulting real track backing tracks be specific to you?or could anyone sing to the same backing track taking into account the Key of the singer once you have it created?
2.Does the quality of the singer effect the midi your sending?i.e If a poor quality singer like myself sings the song will the midi be also unusable for a good quality singer if you get my meaning.
3.Does the Pitch to midi in BB do a similar thing?(i think thats what its called)
Also Could you do a blog on that subject pretty please.....if you have the time..
Thanks a mill
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Linmar,
If you have the original BB files, as was pointed out, you can open them in BB.
If not, you can use the auto chord wizard in BB on a wave or MP3 of the song to have it pick the chords out...
Or... what I have found, sometimes it's best to simply start from scratch and reenter the chords of the old songs you want to work on and work from the ground up. I found out that doing it by entering the chords was faster than using the ACW for one song that I was trying to put into BB. ACW just wasn't picking the chords very well. It's like that on some things especially if the chords are one thing with numbers behind them and the bass note is something different.
As easy as it is to enter the chords, you're only talking about a few minutes of time to get the structure in place in BB. Then open it in RB and pick your real tracks and add the extra things,,,,, heck you can even record your vocal tracks in RB.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Hi Joanne,
Thats a very interesting reply on Melodyne,
1.When you export the midi file of your voice to BIAB will the resulting real track backing tracks be specific to you?or could anyone sing to the same backing track taking into account the Key of the singer once you have it created?
2.Does the quality of the singer effect the midi your sending?i.e If a poor quality singer like myself sings the song will the midi be also unusable for a good quality singer if you get my meaning.
3.Does the Pitch to midi in BB do a similar thing?(i think thats what its called)
Also Could you do a blog on that subject pretty please.....if you have the time..
Thanks a mill
Hugh
Melodyne is a pitch correction program that is also the best audio to MIDI converter that I have found. If you have Melodyne Studio you can convert polyphonic instruments to MIDI, the less but still expensive version will only do monophonic. I use it at times to take a rhythm guitar part, convert it to MIDI then have the MIDI play another instrument in unison with the guitar. I also use it to change timbres, pitch correction, adjust vibrato, etc. Now to your questions: 1- There is a big difference between Realtracks and MIDI. Realtracks are professional players that play what they want to play to fit your song/style. They will not play what you have as MIDI notes. You must use a MIDI sound source to play a MIDI track. Both are valuable but different tools, much like a hammer and a wrench. Anyone can sing along with a monophonic track. To help singers I might play the lead line in MIDI, assign a vibraphone to it and have it playing softly in the background as the singer sings. 2-The answer to this question is yes and no. When using a pitch to MIDI program you should not have any effects on with your voice. Effects like reverb, delay etc and mess up the conversion. Also avoid pitch bends, but these can be added later as MIDI is much more versatile to Realtracks when it comes to modifying a track. Thus don't worry if you sing off key. Melodyne can easily correct those notes so they are perfect. It can also correct the length of the note if needed. When finished you will have a perfect track for your singer and/or any instrument. 3-I haven't played with BiaB's pitch to MIDI in a long time so it might work. Just give it a try. One final word on pitch to MIDI programs: none of them are always perfect. You may have to do a little editing with the final MIDI track. Like I said I have found Melodyne to be the best but occasionally I have to do a little editing, but much less editing than any other pitch to MIDI program that I have tried.
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For Q#2;
Amp simulators are intended for DI recorded instruments such as a guitar recorded directly to the track with no amp or microphone. But's since this is art feel free to convert your midi tracks to audio and try some amp simulators on it. The results may not be what you want but will surely be unique.
You can put your midi guitar solo on BIABs Melody track. You won't be able to experiment with RealTrack "sounds" because RealTracks are not midi samples.
However, you can easily change the midi instrument by right clicking on the Melody track and use the dropdown box/es to choose GM/GM2/other midi voices. I, myself have not had great success at getting IK Multimedia SampleTank to function within BIAB. But, it works fine in Reaper DAW ($60)
I think what most of us do is punch out the chords how we want them in BIAB, choose a few styles that we think fit well, then move the individual audio and midi tracks to a DAW to do the things you are looking to do.
If you just want to import stems to remix you should do that in a DAW like RealBand that come with BIAB. Import each stem onto it's own track, then remix. Hopefully your stems are .wav and raw with no FX. If your original tracks you recorded elsewhere have a click track or midi drum track you should import that also. That way when you change tempo or stretch timing you can include the tempo track to help keep all in sinc.
What did you originally record your songs on? The VS workstation... is that a hardware digital recorder? Like an old Mini Disc multitrack recorder? Can you connect it to your computer via USB, Optical LightPipe, or a multi pin interface that was made for it? If so, you might be able to dump your tracks directly to your computer without the wait time to do each track one at a time.
Q#3; What are "reference" tracks?
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Hugh. Will cover this in my feb blog. For now, Mario has answered your questions. A couple things to add. You don't need the polyphonic version to do this. Just the cheapest version. The trial version will also let you do this (for a month).
It is best to tune and adjust the timing of your vocal before saving as a midi track. And as said before, make sure the tempo is right. Then open up the midi file in your daw and as Mario said you will need to adjust a few bad notes. I use the piano roll to do this (I'm not so good with the score).
Will do that blog post..,,
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[quote=JoanneCooper]Hugh. Will cover this in my feb blog. For now, Mario has answered your questions. A couple things to add. You don't need the polyphonic version to do this. Just the cheapest version.....quote]
The cheapest version is Essentials and it will not save to midi. You have to have the next version up which is Assistant - which sucks imo that you have to pay for an upgrade just to save a file to midi.
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Thanks Mario and Joanne,
The process I am doing and you can correct me if im wrong which I could be.
1.I create a midi melody which I am going to (use as my Vocal Melody later)
2.I create the backing tracks to that midi melody in Biab in whatever style and with realtracks etc
3.I then want to vocalize that melody or put words to that melody(from here on it becomes difficult to know that what I have vocalized is correct)
So I think Melodyne or Pitch to midi could help me check what I have actually sung goes as well with the backing tracks as the midi melody.
Thanks for the replies and the blog will be very useful Joanne much appreciated,
Hugh
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Hi Sundance
Thanks it looks like a good product.Ive added it to my wishlist and I hope to invest in a few products later in the year.I like the look of Izotope as well and it seems to come recommeded on the forum.Are their any must haves for mixing and mastering that you recommend?
thanks Hugh
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Many users here feel Izotope Ozone is one tool where you don't want to try the demo unless you are ready to buy it. After trying it, you will want it.
If I somehow lost every record of my copy of Ozone .. I'd go out and buy it again quickly and hope I could work it out with Izotope later, if needed. Yep, I'd risk buying it twice as opposed to not having it for a period of time.
That's about the closest *I* can come to a 'must have' recommendation.
Ozone is different than the above mentioned Izotope program, but after that you asked about 'mixing and mastering' must haves.
TBH I've used Ozone at both the track level and the mastering slot. Each instance would have much different settings, but it can be used in both ways, though it is most known for mastering.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Hugh2, My only must have is Ozone. I also like Nectar 2 another Izotope product for vocals. Re: voice to midi - There is a voice to midi program called Imitone for $25. I haven't tried it but it looks like a lot of fun. It's not Melodyne but not the big price tag either if all you want is voice to midi.
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