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Another vote here for Ozone  I got it a few years ago and have been amazed at the difference it can still make to what I previously thought was a "finished" track. The CD Master preset in Ozone is excellent for adding a professional sparkle and gain level.
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I also highly recommend ozone. Use it all the time.
Josie, thanks for pointing that out about the melodyne versions. It used to be that you could do the audio to midi with just the free version but they quickly removed that. I have the full blown multi track version and use it all the time to line up harmonies. I doubt I could do without it anymore.
Hugh, I think to be honest to do what you want to do you probably need the multi track version of melodyne. Melodyne studio. Here you can play multiple tracks at the same time and actually see if they line up with each other. note. The multi track version is very very expensive!
Have you got the trial version of melodyne studio? If so, import the wave files of both the midi vocal
line and your vocal and you will be able to see where you are off key.
(Ps you can also tune your vocal and "learn" to sing it in key, although I am sure there are cheaper tools to do this)
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Hugh, if you want I can use my Melodyne and import your wave files and send you a video of the result. PM me if you want me to do that.
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You're welcome Joanne. I've never seen a free version other than a trial or unless it came bundled with another DAW. I read somewhere a version of it comes bundled with Studio One now.
Hugh2 - For me the studio version of Melodyne would be overkill because with Reaper I can use Melodyne as a vst plugin on whatever tracks I want. It's really easy to move things around in Reaper. So picking a version really depends on the DAW you are already using as well as the features you want and how much you want to spend.
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You're welcome Joanne. I've never seen a free version other than a trial or unless it came bundled with another DAW. I read somewhere a version of it comes bundled with Studio One now.
Hugh2 - For me the studio version of Melodyne would be overkill because with Reaper I can use Melodyne as a vst plugin on whatever tracks I want. It's really easy to move things around in Reaper. So picking a version really depends on the DAW you are already using as well as the features you want and how much you want to spend.
FYI - The version of the monophonic Melodyne is bundled with Sonar. Sonar has ARA (Audio Random Access) so you can edit audio within Sonar using Melodyne. I have the Studio version that I can use within Sonar. Your last sentence says it all!
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Hi Joanne
Thats an incredibly kind offer and I may take you up on that!My songs are just not fully ready yet.Alot of them have the lyrics and music but I havent put them together yet.
I got a couple of songs produced professionally ,really because I wanted to see whether my songs could come out any good.
I was encouraged but I realized that studio produced songs have limitations.They sound great,they hit every beat on time and technically they are spot on but they can lack any individuality and you cant experiment much or add a little idea here or there.Their is no "lets try this" or "lets try that" if you know what I mean.
So like alot of people Im on the curb of trying to produce a good sounding demo with some life in it.Band in a box is just such a great tool for that.
Much appreciate you taking time out to do the blog.
Yours Hugh
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Thank you Sundance for your advice,
I am going to have a look at ozone and nectar and imitone .
It looks like it worth a go at 25 dollars.
Yours Hugh
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Josie. The free version is really just an audio player. It is what you are left with after your free trial is over. I used to use it to make midi files from a wave file but they removed that functionality. It was about that time I decided to buy it. The full studio version is useful if you have multiple tracks that you want to line up with each other. The album with my old band mate Karen Wilmot "Alice band 20 years on" would have been a bit of a mess without it because I had her vocal and my vocal that where just never in time no matter how hard I tried and how long I practiced. With melodyne studio you can line everything up perfectly so that the plosives "p's" etc sound at the same time and the words start and end at the same time etc. For me it is simply the best tool for manipulating audio. Edited to add; I think in the "old" days you just had to spend hours and hours in the studio trying to line up vocal parts. Now with melodyne you don't have to do that (of course the vocal needs to be quite good to begin with otherwise the results will not be great). So you can get quite a good out come with relatively little effort and that, I am for
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Joanne, this is excellent and should be copied to the Tip and Tricks' forum.
If one has the DAW Sonar all one has to do is to drag the audio track to the timeline and it will automatically convert it to a MIDI track while still retaining the audio track.
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Hi Joanne
Great detailed post which is will be really handy for anyone who wants to instrumentalize if thats a word a vocal line and keep it perfectly in sync with the backing music.Im going to try this out as soon as I get Melodyne which I believe comes with Sonar.I will ask Mario D as he posted on subject,
Thanks again for your time
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Hi Mario
I have to get a DAW and wonder whats the ups and downs of Sonar?
I checked and Sonar Pro and Platinium have Melodyne Essential is that the reason Sonar converts to Midi so easily?Is it generally good with Midi as I use it all the time?
Thanks Hugh
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The ups:
It is rock solid
It comes with a lot of new softsynths and effects.
Melodyne can be used as an VST3 ARA plugin.
Very good for MIDI and audio tracks.
Number of tracks limited only by your system.
Many other features.
The downs:
Can have a steep learning curve for a novice.
Only fair for notation.
Melodyne Essential will only work with monophonic tracks.
Since you have been using MIDI for a long time I will assume that you are familiar with DAWs so the learning curve may not be that steep.
Yes Melodyne Essential can very easily convert audio to MIDI while keeping the audio track. Drag the monophonic audio track or clip to the time line and it will generate a new MIDI track containing the notes in the audio track. You may have to do a little editing. I have tried a number of audio to MIDI converters and Melodyne does the best job. The more expensive Melodyne programs allow polyphonic editing.
You can correct pitch and timing with Melodyne.
If you have any questions just send me a PM.
I hope this helps.
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Thanks For the review,It helps a lot,
It looks reasonably priced as well,so il download the trial version and see whether il be able for it,
It wasnt on my radar until i saw this post but its a handy midi feature,
Yours Hugh
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Hi Mario,
Can be used MELODYNE for transcription solos eg. the guitar tracks of audio that has a polyphony of other musical instruments?
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Hi Mario,
Can be used MELODYNE for transcription solos eg. the guitar tracks of audio that has a polyphony of other musical instruments? Melodyne Studio will show all of the notes in a track but it can not pick out one instrument and only display it. No program that I know of can pull one instrument out of a multi-instrument track. It's like trying to pull the eggs out of a cooked cake. You could go into Melodyne and start deleting notes that are not the guitar but that would be very time consuming, a real PITA and I'm not sure that that would work.
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Sorry to be a killjoy here - I really don't mean to be. Mario is the midi master for sure and one of my fav people on the planet. And Joanne has done a wonderful blog on the subject.
However Melodyne ESSENTIAL does NOT save an audio as midi file. You will have to get a higher version of the program to do that.
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Hi Josie. I saw that when I was doing the research for my blog. On the celemony website it says you need melodyne assistant to convert wave to midi. Noel commented on the other thread that RealBand can do this conversion so I am going to try that out.
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Joanne, this is excellent and should be copied to the Tip and Tricks' forum. Yes, I second that. +1
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Sorry to be a killjoy here - I really don't mean to be. Mario is the midi master for sure and one of my fav people on the planet. And Joanne has done a wonderful blog on the subject.
However Melodyne ESSENTIAL does NOT save an audio as midi file. You will have to get a higher version of the program to do that.
Sundance, thanx so much for correcting me on this. I have used Studio so long that I assumed that all versions of Melodyne did audio to MIDI conversions. My bad. It looks like assumed made an @ss out of me again! Thanx again for correcting this. Ps - you could never be a killjoy!
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