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I am running BIAB 2009 on a Windows 10 laptop.
The volume is VERY low - nearly inaudible.
I've reset BIAB to Factory-Settings. Volume still low.
It is louder with headphones.
It is very loud (great) with external speakers plugged into the laptop (headphone jack).
Listening to YouTube, in a browser, is louder.
Summary: How can I make BIAB-2009 louder?
Thank you
Last edited by Cardinal24; 03/17/17 12:33 PM.
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Hi, Welcome to the forums. If it's louder with headphones, the low speaker volume sounds like it's due to a Windows setting. Click on the speaker icon in the task bar and see if volume sliders are up. I don't know Windows 10 but on Windows 7 I can right-click on the speaker icon, select "Playback devices" and then, by entering into to "Speaker properties" I can set individual slider volumes. Hope this helps, Noel
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You can access the sound devices and volume the same way in Windows 10.
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No, my friends. I appreciate these comments but my issue is not resolved.
Again, I should point out that EVERYTHING works fine ...except... volume inside BIAB. BTW: I am using BIAB 2009.
Low volume is resolved by connecting external speakers to the laptop.
YouTube plays at a satisfactory volume.
When I click the speakers in the configuration utility, the sound is loud.
It is ONLY inside BIAB where the volume is unacceptably low.
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One closing comment: I'm 64 years old, and this wouldn't be the first time, I was missing something obvious. I am "technical" but not when it comes to audio. e.g. I know nothing about CODEC.
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However, I feel that there may be something wrong with the configuration inside BIAB. And I did Reset to factory settings but that didn't fix it.
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So .... more ideas will be appreciated. I can't uninstall and reinstall because I can't find the CD. (I could order a replacement CD for only $5.00 but haven't). Another approach is to buy a new version but I use the program lightly and would prefer to wait to upgrade.
Thanks. Sorry.
David
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David, that's a good problem statement now. I really don't know the answer, and BIAB 2009 is so long ago that I don't remember what the menu options would have been. I think I know this stuff pretty well and I'm older than you, but I have limitations!
So, my suggestion is to contact PG Music Support. They may even have an older working version of BIAB, but especially, they can remote into your machine and try to find the problem.
Be sure to post the solution once it's known, so we can all help others.
I first thought the solution lies with your external speakers or mixer - whatever you are using - since the headphone jack works. It doesn't seem like it could be a BIAB problem, and yet you say everything else works...
BIAB 2009 had some early RealTracks and RealDrums. Could you give us one more possible clue: is the sound of MIDI and RealTracks equally low, or is one affected more than another?
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1. I just tried BIAB 2009 on a laptop I used before the low-volume laptop. Perfect, loud (no problem).
So either low-volume laptop is misconfigured or has a HW/SW issue that seemingly effects only BIAB.
2. PGMusic is closed now (I can't inquire) but I'd expect a fee for BIAB 2009 support. I'd likely prefer to otherwise employ my PGMusic dollars.
3. You asked:
" is the sound of MIDI and RealTracks equally low, or is one affected more than another? "
I only use the most basic BIAB features. I don't know how to test that. Thanks
I'm quietly hoping that somebody writes: "Have you tried this?"
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It may or may not fix the problem, but just thought I would ask. Are you running the latest BIAB 2009 patch (BIAB 2009.5 Build 287), which can be found way down on this page. I think I have an old VM setup which may have 2009 on it. If I remember, I'll take a look this evening.
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Thanks Peter. I found this. The volume for Band in a Box was 100%. But thank you.
I continue to feel that this is some setting in the program - an obvious setting to experienced users. I am a beginner. I don't know anything about Midi or drum tracks or anything. I just type in chords and play along. But thank you.
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Are you using mainly MIDI, or also RealTracks/RealDrums?
If MIDI, what MIDI synth are you using to get sound?
One thing you can do is normalize MIDI tracks to a higher velocity, which will result in louder sound.
I don't have 2009 in front of me, but just look for "normalize" in the user manual or the help system.
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This is pitiful, but I don't know if I'm using Midi.
I bought BIAB 2009 because my guitar teacher told me to.
I enter chord progressions and play along.
That's it.
I either hear BIAB through the laptop speakers (volume too low) or through external speakers (volume good).
That's it.
So perhaps I could "turn MIDI off" entirely?
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Did 2009 have a mixer? If so is it on the main screen or buried in some menu? I honestly can't remember.
If BiaB 2009 has a mixer turn everything up and see what you get.
Check under options/preferences/MIDI driver and let us know what you have highlighted in the MIDI input driver and MIDI output driver.
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To clarify, the problem is that BIAB 2009 plays back very low over the laptop speakers? That's the only problem? Other programs play loud enough on the laptop speakers?
We still need more info.
Does this song have RealTracks and/or RealDrums?
Does this song have MIDI?
As Mario mentioned, what does it say in Preferences, MIDI Driver for Output?
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Cardinal24. If you have 2009 version you'll likely be using MIDI tracks, The problem may be with the laptop itself. Some laptops (one of mine included) have very low speaker volume. Completely unsatisfactory for playing music along with another instrument. I recall you mentioned that external amp was OK, and that other sound sources were OK though (e.g. YouTube). Don't discount that you may need to use some kind of powered speaker connected to the laptop audio out.
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Trevor, if I understood the prior posts, he has an external amp. Playing through laptop speakers is never recommended, but at least it works somewhat with all other programs beside BIAB. If I read right...
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I'll try to take a look at it tonight after work and see if there's anything that pops up with v2009 (I'm pretty sure I still have it installed on a VM).
I still am curious about the MIDI sound source, as that can also affect volume. I seem to remember the VSC-3 had some volume control and could put out pretty high volume.
But the fact that it plays fine with external speakers (and I presume the other apps don't then play louder as a result of that) has me confuzzled, but that only BIAB is low in volume on the internal speakers, but not the xternal speakers.
I agree, it's probably MIDI, since RT's were so new then. And I don't believe there were any RT "styles" then, just the ability to select an RT form the RT picker and substitute.
But I'll know more when I jog my memory by firing it up.
Things that make you go hmmmm....
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Just doing an install right now (not on Win10; I'll do that in a little bit). However, I noticed that BIAB2009 comes with the VSC soft synth (both DXi and VSTi); however, it doesn't work on 64-bit WIndows.
So, I'm still curious about the sound source. Sounds like it's just the default Windows softsynth.
Cardinal24, would you please click on the top menu line and select "Opt", "MIDI/Audio Driver Setup" and let us know what your MIDI output driver is?
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Hi.
1) I don't have an external "amp". I just have some speakers that I plug into the headphone jack. They play the .SGU "songs" I create plenty-loud. The laptop's internal speakers are NOT loud enough (on .SGU files).
2) I did notice something potentially-helpful today.
This may help you to help me...
.WAV and .MGU songs play louder than .SGU songs.
Note: I know almost nothing about BIAB (but I'm otherwise technical.)
Again: I use BAIB like this - Very SIMPLY:
I click New.
I enter one chord, like DMaj9#11.
I "extend" it to measure 33. I say "repeat 40 times".
So BIAB 2009 plays 1200 measures of my one chord. I accompany. Simple!
I save the "song". It gets saved as a .SGU (which I think is the problem. SGUs aren't as loud as .WAV or .MGU files).
So I tried various songs that shipped with BIAB. I loaded .WAV files (louder) - .MGU files (louder).
So ... my discovery:
Some file formats are louder (.WAV, .MGU). Some file formats are softer (.SGU).
I don't why there are multiple formats. But I thought this might help you to help me.
Just to recap: Every sound function on this laptop works fine (loud) - EXCEPT playing .SGU "songs" that I've created using the laptop's speakers. If I plug in external speakers: Fine. If I use YouTube: fine.
Thanks
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Cool chord, DMaj9#11. You can play on that all night!
OK, we're getting closer with more information.
A .WAV file is audio (so is an .MP3). An .SGU file is a song track of BIAB without a melody. It could be all MIDI, all RealTracks, or a combination. If it has a melody, that melody is saved as .MGU. That melody would be MIDI.
When you play a .MGU file, is the background playing still soft, while the melody is loud? If you don't have a melody, add one and test.
There are ways to balance MIDI and audio, assuming you have a combination and are running very early RealTracks and RealDrums. I just don't remember that far back to advise you what BIAB was like then. Something out of balance would explain why an .MGU and a .SGU would not be the same volume.
Given this info, perhaps it will guide you to know what kind of file gives the problem.
By the way, your external speakers probably have one or probably two external amps. If they didn't they would be no louder than the laptop's speakers.
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John asked this:
Cardinal24, would you please click on the top menu line and select "Opt", "MIDI/Audio Driver Setup" and let us know what your MIDI output driver is?
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All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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