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Hi Folk,
Just bit the bullet and bought BIAB everything PC.
Looking to setup up a small studio in my "man cave" pretty basic requirement I suspect but am totally new to DAW. In fact I had to look up what it meant. Just started playing the guitar and have a couple of descent microphones for vocals and would like to integrate BIAB, guitar, microphone, other music and tracks into a recording studio.
Am looking at a Yamaha MG12XU mixer which has USB Port and Yamaha bundle Cubase AI entry level DAW software with the mixer. Looking at the Cubase AI it seems it does all the basics that I would need.
Trying to get my head around if this is the way to go? One of the things I am not sure of if I went this path wether I need two seperate PC's, one for BIAB to feed a Yamaha source input and then a PC for the DAW attached to the Yamaha?
I like the flexibility of having channels available to bring other sources into my mixes that the Yamaha or any other mixer you folks may suggests as a better option?
I am good with setting up an amp or powered speakers as monitors and the like. Just would really appreciate the best way to integrate BIAB into a small studio system?
I am retired and happy to spend some dollars on setting up a system that I will use quite often. Appreciate some suggestion and advice on the best way to set up a small studio system without introducing much in the way of compromise.
Cheers,
Ian
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Simplest is to run BiaB all alone. Then, after you get as far as you can in BiaB, drag the tracks to your DAW. and continue working there. If you want to use BiaB features in a DAW setting, you also have acquired a program called Realband (comes free with BiaB). It is a 48 track DAW with BiaB features, like generate, etc. .. and in many ways is much more powerful. Plus you can simply Save a BiaB file and Open it in RB to keep working.. Many people never realize they have it or what it can do, since BiaB is the flagship program, but RB is very unique in it's own right. If you go to the page below, then scroll down a bit until you see the tabs, then click the Realband tab, you can read more about it. http://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.new.htmand this link has a little more info http://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.features.htm(again have to scroll down to the Realband section)
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For DAW work, I use both Realband and Reaper.
As rharv has mentioned above, Realband has the versatility of BIAB (and more) when it comes to creating backing tracks. This makes it indispensable for me. It's very powerful.
Once I have the tracks I want, I then move into Reaper. While I could do all I wanted in Realband, Reaper offers a few things that I find value like tuning vocals, a number of different shaped volume envelopes and sliding of audio files.
At the end of the day, most of the DAWs I've come across are good. It's simply a matter of learning one and getting used to it.
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Fleetz.... As Noel states most DAW software has it's place. It a matter of finding one that has an interface and workflow that is appealing to your way of thinking/learning. Many companies offer demo programs should you decide to try something other than Cubase. (I've been with Cakewalk since 1993 and use Sonar X3.) Personally, I don't think (2) separate PC's is necessary. Just one that has sufficient beef to accommodate the demands of audio recording/processing. Do you already have monitors? You'll likely get a plethora of suggestions here. Good luck....happy spending.  Back to it....
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Hi Ian, I have a couple of questions: 1-do you need all of the inputs on the Yamaha MG12XU mixer? 2-is the Yamaha MG12XU mixer an audio interface, commonly called a sound card? I don't think that the mixer is an audio interface. There are a number of audio interfaces available at a wide variety of prices; the price often depends on the mic preamps and the number of inputs needed. Many people here use Focusrite audio interfaces. If you only are going to record your guitar and sing simultaneously then all you need it this one: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Scarlet2i2G2Most of the time you may record each track individually. You would record the guitar then record your vocal. Don't worry about mixing as most all, if not all, DAWs have mixers built in. Also if the Yamaha is not an audio interface then you will have to buy one anyway. The only other thing you will need to start is a pair of near field monitors. PC speakers, headphones and stereo systems do not have the flat or near flat response needed for recording music. I do not use RealBand, I use Sonar as my DAW, but I have played with RealBand. My guess is that RealBand is more powerful than the Yamaha tied Cubase AI. Note be careful of DAWs that are tied to certain hardware as they are proprietary. You can get non-proprietary entry level DAWs from Sonar, Cubase and virtually every other DAW software out there. But since you don't have a favorite DAW right now I strongly suggest you use RealBand. Not only is it a powerful DAW you also have the most knowledgeable and friendly people here on the forums to help you if needed. To me these are the most important things to someone new to recording and DAWs. {EDIT} I see a couple of others answered as I was slowly typing mine.
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Thanks for the great replies. You folks certainly have rebalanced my thinking which is great. Wasn't aware of Realband and that it was a DAW. Given BIAB is still on it way here it is probably worth holding of on the Yamaha until I can fire up Realband and have a look. Currently only have a laptop but it is an i5, has 2gig RAM and a 500Mb HDD. It only has a basic 3.5mm mic and earphone audio I/O. So no expadability options of perhaps swapping out a sound card. Just liked the flexibility of the Yamaha to run in some balanced microphones, guitars acoustic and electric) and other sources. Probably a bit of old school on the audio front. Like to have some monitoring and some conrtrol over EQ, compression, padding, phantom powering etc etc thought this might in part compensate for limited laptop I/O. Also do like buttons and direct control. The Focusrite looks a nice compact mixer. It may well be that once I get into it this will be adequate. I have always been an over engineering kinda guy. The extra hundred or so dollars to get a MG10XU or MG12XU is not too much of an issue. I have some other audio playout sources that would be nice to run into the mixer for just listening to music with some decent monitor speakers. It is in a man cave after all. What you have opened my eye and thought process to is would I need the XU version mixer? That is USB I/O? They do a version without and no Cubase A1. If Realband does the business then Cubase is not needed and could get just the basic mixer version. Will look into Reaper and Soanar DAWs as well, man there is a plethora of them out there. Ideally was looking to get clear in my mind a definite way to go as I am off to the US next week catching up with some friend ps there. The range and the amazing prices always presents an opportunity to bring some bits back. Unfortunately the timing might not be that great given BIAB won't arrive here until after I have left. Was hoping that there was going to be a clear cut way to stitch a system together but way too many options and ways to do it. Haven't ruled out the possibility of building up an AV PC as I might look to do some video editing possibly using Blackmagic DaVinci Resolve software. Which is another reason I am thinking a 10/12 mixer. Resolve software on its own is a possible DAW solution. Never one to do things by halves. We live in exciting times. Imagine firstly trying to do what we can achieve today with great tools like BIAB and all the amazing low cost editing tools. 25 years ago you would have had to sell your house to afford to do what we have now that probably cost around a $1000 or so dollars to do. Crazy nuts what this can do for $299...there is even a free version that does an amazing amount. www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolveThanks again for all the great replies very much appreciated. Regards, Ian
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Ian, the first thing I would do is upgrade the RAM on your PC. 2GB is barely enough to run the operating system, much less other applications. If you only have 32-bit Windows, you should go to 4GB (that's all 32-bit Windows can address). If you have a 64-bit version of Windows and your laptop supports it, I would go to at least 8-GB.
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Thanks John,
Was looking sideways at the RAM requirement yesterday. I saw that 1G RAM was min but +2G was recommended.
My system is a 64 bit.
Upgrading is not a big deal, definitely think it is going to be worth doing........or it might be the catalyst to build another PC with some serious grunt, i7 6700, tons of RAM, SSD's and a decent sound card.
Boys and their toys!
Cheers,
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Ian, welcome to the forum. I haven't read the whole thread, but two recent things caught my eye:
First, if you stay with your current laptop, you should not use the internal soundcard, but you do not need to 'swap it out'. Just buy a USB audio interface. Something as simple as a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 would do so much better than the built-in card.
Second, although your computer "system is 64 bit", double-check what your Windows is. Control Panel, System will show if the version of Windows is 32-bit or 64. Only if it is 64 can you benefit from more than 4 GB RAM, as John said.
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Conversely, you could look at a control surface. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FaderPort8 This gives you the tactile feel of a mixer and integration with your DAW, and a ton more options. Regards, Bob
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Cheers Matt,
It is 64 bit Windows 7 at the moment....might upgrade to Windows 10 soon.
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That's a serious bit of kit!
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I use a very similar product, the Behringer X-Touch. Prior to that, I used an even more powerful Tascam FW-1884, but they didn't keep the drivers up to date. Note that either the Faderport 8 or the Behringer work very well in a DAW, but as of now BIAB does not support them.
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I have been using Samplitude Pro X for a number of years and it seems to perfectly fit along side BIAB, it users 'audio objects' to edit in a similar way as block chording with BIAB There is an official free version called Samplitude Pro X Silver which still has the same audio engine as the big brother and comes with a wealth of very good plugins and the Vandal Guitar SE emulation software. http://dl03.magix.net/samplitude_silver_soundcloud_us.exeBrian
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Cheers for the links ....I watched a few of Graham's you tube videos late last night into the wee small hours. He explains thing great.
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Thanks for the input folks.
Think you have convinced me that I don't need the Yamaha mixer. The standalone USB interfaces look to be the smart way to go.
Just need to pick a unit that ticks the boxes and plays nicely with initially Realband DAW but select one that will work with others DAWs. Seems these USB interfaces are pretty universal?
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Anyone using a Steinberg UR22mkII interface?
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OK... so you've gotten some good advice to this point.
Here's my take on gear.
Determine what you're going to use it for. Are you going to record bands and other musicians or is this a one man hobby studio where it's mostly just going to be you and maybe the occasional friend?
If you plan to record bands, you will need a mixer. If you're doing the solo thing, then you do not need a mixer unless you just want something to take up desk space and have to dust from time to time.
My studio rig is very basic.
I have a decent computer. i5 Intel quad core with nice sized hard drives. Nothing fancy, just solid. I run XP Pro 32 bit.
I have a Focusrite interface. (external sound card) It has midi and audio inputs and multiple audio outputs. Built in preamps and phantom power running ASIO as the driver.
I use a pair of Mackie MR-5 monitors and a 10" 100w sub.
Basically... that, is my studio. No mixer needed. I plug in my mic and guitar to the Focusrite and there it is. Ready to roll and rock.
In my computer, I run Band in A Box as well as it's companion Real Band and I also run Cakewalk's Sonar X1 DAW. While getting a DAW in a bundle with other gear is free, I recommend that you buy a full version of a DAW as opposed to using the LE "free" versions since they often have disabled features. Cakewalk has a nice DAW that comes with several nice synths and costs $50 to get started. They have packs that bundle it with some other stuff you will likely want, for more money. Look at Music Creator 7 and Sonar Home Studio. I get the feeling they're replacing MC7 with SHS. Both are excellent starting DAW's, priced right and fully capable of doing everything you need.
I write the songs in BB and then use Real Band to render the tracks to wave. I then copy them into Sonar where I work on them and add my live tracks for vocals and guitar. Mixing and treatment is done in Sonar.
A couple thousand dollars invested in good equipment will get the job done nicely. Then, you can set about the task of learning how to make it all work to produce good music. That's the fun part.
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Hi Folk,
Just bit the bullet and bought BIAB everything PC.
Looking to setup up a small studio in my "man cave" pretty basic requirement I suspect but am totally new to DAW. In fact I had to look up what it meant. Just started playing the guitar and have a couple of descent microphones for vocals and would like to integrate BIAB, guitar, microphone, other music and tracks into a recording studio.
Am looking at a Yamaha MG12XU mixer which has USB Port and Yamaha bundle Cubase AI entry level DAW software with the mixer. Looking at the Cubase AI it seems it does all the basics that I would need.
Trying to get my head around if this is the way to go? One of the things I am not sure of if I went this path wether I need two seperate PC's, one for BIAB to feed a Yamaha source input and then a PC for the DAW attached to the Yamaha?
I like the flexibility of having channels available to bring other sources into my mixes that the Yamaha or any other mixer you folks may suggests as a better option?
I am good with setting up an amp or powered speakers as monitors and the like. Just would really appreciate the best way to integrate BIAB into a small studio system?
I am retired and happy to spend some dollars on setting up a system that I will use quite often. Appreciate some suggestion and advice on the best way to set up a small studio system without introducing much in the way of compromise.
Cheers,
Ian Fleetz, The best thing you could do at this stage is read. You can spend a ton of money on stuff you don't really need. BIAB/Realband is a self-contained production suite. You may find that all you really need is an interface and a decent mic. Save your money for plugins!  Regards, Bob
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