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Hi Bob,
Thats interesting about panning centre for gigging,never thought about it.
Just to say I bought some of your styles from NortonMusic and they were fabulous.If ever you get the time could you do some more ABBA styles.The one I got was great thanks,Hugh Thanks for the kind words. The panning is in BiaB preferences, not the styles (at least not the MIDI styles). I use stereo panning at home for listening, but I always mix in mono first. It's easier for me to get the instruments balanced in mono. Then I pan. For "On Stage" gigging, I gig in mono. For the reasons I described earlier. Here is another addition to that. Often we play parties in a clubhouse with a speaker out by the pool. One mono channel inside, one mono channel outside. Another example, one speaker might be closer to a table, so I'll run the volume to favor the speaker nearer to the dance floor. In mono, the instrument volumes are still balanced. And I do have one ABBA style on this "disk" http://www.nortonmusic.com/style15.html#disk15They are direct download and no longer on disk, but I don't know what else to call them  Insights and incites by Notes
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The panning is in BiaB preferences, not the styles (at least not the MIDI styles). This from the Style Master himself. And I think (but could be wrong and can't verify right now) that RealTracks honor the MIDI pan setting when you load them. Stereo RT's (such as a piano) will play across the stereo field, but the center of that field will be determined by the pan setting in BIAB. Obviously, if you load a song with saved pan settings, the settings will be adjusted accordingly (unless you turned it off in the overrides section). But you should be able to (as has been pointed out) make your default setting flat, dry, and centered and go from there. I do agree with Notes; stereo for listening, mono for performing.
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Don't know if this was mentioned or not but, in BIAB you can change the Default reverb.
I don't seem to be able to get the ideal reverb setting that works for most of my backing tracks. I've sort of given up on it and just use the BIAB default reverb. I'm considering leaving all my backing tracks dry and apply over-all reverb from my mixer but haven't tried that yet. My vocal and live guitar reverb sit quite apart from the backing tracks. I'm hoping I can find a simple verb type that works well on the backing tracks during times I'm not singing and/or playing but still allows me to put an over-all reverb on top of it from the mixer. Or, at least something that closely matches my mixers built in reverb.
So, Matt, do you have a typical default reverb preset that works well for your style of music?
Does the noise in your head bother me ?
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That's correct, Tobias. I mentioned reverb in my post and gave some typical settings. They would work overall pretty well for me on most songs.
BIAB has a menu option to export tracks clean, dry and not panned, and so that's a good setting if you are taking the tracks into a DAW for further work. No reverb at all, in other words, and add it in the DAW. I should have stated that my preferences in the post are for when you are staying within BIAB, to make the sounds best for playing in the program.
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I usually adjust reverb until I notice it, and then back it off some.
I think once you notice it in the mix, it's too much - unless you are using it for effect.
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This post is well worthy of a spot in Tips & tricks, if not far better suited there than here.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should!
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Today I saw a post in which another long-time experienced user did not know about the mixer slider for Tone.
Perhaps this should be a sticky.
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Thanks thats very useful Matt .
So ive noticed this recently as I was listening to some songs using Ozone (mp3) and when I used the side option I obviously could hear only the far sides of the song but the lead vocals were still clear whereas a song I mix the vocals are almost none existant on the sides.My question Do producers delibrately pan a lead track far right and another far left as well as in the centre?
Hugh Hugh, my apologies for missing this post. I'll reply two and a half years late, but here we go. One of Ozone's tricks (and I say that with admiration - I'm a fan) is to widen the stereo image. Lead vocals are almost always in the middle, i.e. not panned left or right. It makes this the strongest sound in the mix. Another reason, sort-of lost now, is that people used to make Music-Minus-One tracks by inverting the phase of one channel, canceling out anything in dead center. It worked, but generally also took out the bass and often the drums too, since they are often in the center of the mix. When you say far left AND far right AS WELL AS center, that may be some engineer's technique for thickening a vocal; I don't know. I'm not familiar with that. It does pretty much negate the value of panning. I don't do vocals - I'm an instrumentalist - but those who do ofen use multiple tracks of a vocal; I just don't know if they like to pan them differently. I would think some panning variation might work, but perhaps not the extremes you mentioned. It's a good question, though. Anyone here an experienced vocal producer who can answer this?
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