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I listened to a few of your songs on SoundCloud. To me it sound more like singing technique. Sounds like he does not open his mouth nice and wide when singing. Kind of like this guy; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZipm9Ae1nI
Does the noise in your head bother me ?
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Try getting him to sing harder and without headphones covering his ears fully. (I don't mean yelling or straining his voice of course!) He probably thinks it sounds sweeter and more in tune if he doesn't sing too hard. Actually, he will sound dull and will be in danger of singing flat. You hear it all the time with nervous karaoke singers. My guess is that if he pushes it a bit harder it will still be in tune (as he's obviously musical - unlike my wife) and brighter more interesting. I have the same problem especially with headphones when streaming. As said previously, opening the mouth is all part of it. I've had the benefit of several classically trained professional music singers as teachers and lots of singing lessons, so I do have some experience in this area. (I remember one Opera Diva yelling at me "Sing Neil, Sing - Be a man not a mouse!") But boy, up in front of a thousand people singing "Bless This House", there's no choice.
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Good news is you don't need a new mic. In addition to what rharv suggests there are two other issues; the multiple voices are contributing to the mud as they are not exactly precisely hitting consonants at the same time. That is one. Second is that the vocals are not high enough from a level perspective in your mix.
Before doing rharv's suggestion for compression, I would do two things: 1. try mixing the song with only one of the vocal tracks. Mute all others. When you do this, also cut out all of the reverb and delay effects. Mix that one vocal track so it feels like it's uncomfortably loud. Then print that mix and post it back to soundcloud and put the link here. As you do that then you can assess if EQ will help, perhaps starting first by high passing the single vocal track at 100-150hz. Move the filter frequency through that range and even higher than that until it starts to sound 'thin', then leave it there and boost that tracks level by 1-3 dB and perhaps more. I think you will find that the clarity improves significantly.
If you haven't applied either reverb or delay on your vocal tracks then you have a recording environment issue to deal with, because it certainly sounds like these have been applied either to the vocals or the whole mix and if not then your recording space has too much mid and high frequency reflection tendencies.
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First, you have too much reverb on the vocals in particular and the mix as a while. That makes for a weaker sounding mix.
Getting a good vocal takes a bit of experimenting. Record them dry. Set the EQ flat or use none on the incoming signal.
On the mix, you have too much reverb and the guitar solo was way too low.
Folks tend to try to hide behind reverb when they think they don't sound good singing. They think it makes them better.... I know, because I used to do it too. But when you take the time to work on the vocals by themselves.... and ditch the FX.... try to get a good sounding vocal track with nothing but the input signal.... suddenly, you are forced to confront the problems head on and with a bit of time and effort, you will be able to find that place where the vocals sound good. Same thing applies to everything else in the mix.
Don't shotgun it, and don't throw it all in the mix hoping something magically works and sounds good. Take the time to work on one thing at a time.....make it good without FX and then you will have nice sounding mixes.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Herb, we should work together!
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