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All RT as SFZ? #424910 08/07/17 01:26 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 1,143 Philippines Trygve Larsen OP Expert
OP Trygve Larsen Expert Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 1,143 Philippines	How great would that be fellow BiaB users???? Imagine if 2018 came with all or mostly all RT as SFZ ??? Our need for external sound libraries would mostly diminish, Right? Could it be done? Well, I have to say I am very satisfied with the quality of the few one that came with 2017, but we need more! Why would users be the one to have to do it? It's not that hard after all, but when and if PG -Music would do it, we could count on it would be the best, right? Last edited by Trygve Larsen; 08/07/17 01:31 AM. Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of. Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.

Re: All RT as SFZ? Trygve Larsen #424914 08/07/17 02:02 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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Island Soul Expert I Joined: May 2015 Posts: 884 St. Petersburg , FL	I don't think that is possible. Real Tracks don't allow the user to control them like a virtual instrument. You can't just pop in a guitar track and control each note, the real track does itself because it is played by real people, hints the name Real Track. Last edited by Islansoul; 08/07/17 02:02 AM. Computer: Macbook Pro, 16 inch 2021 DAWs: Pro Tools, Logic, and Maschine plays drums, percussion, bass, steel pan, keyboard, music producer/engineer

Re: All RT as SFZ? Trygve Larsen #424918 08/07/17 02:08 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,217 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,217 Hamlin NY	Trygve what you are talking about is already available in MIDI and MIDI sound sources. RTs are not MIDI sound sources so what you are suggesting is not possible. Also if BiaB came with excellent MIDI sound sources the program would cost thousands of dollars as good sound sources are expensive, especially if BiaB wanted them for all 128 GM sounds. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: All RT as SFZ? MarioD #424967 08/07/17 08:11 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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Pipeline Veteran P Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 7,954	TL might mean like Sforzando RealTrack Solos ? The ones in here ? : Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) PG-SFZ.jpg (17.31 KB, 122 downloads)

Re: All RT as SFZ? Pipeline #424983 08/07/17 09:18 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,217 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,217 Hamlin NY	What I heard and saw in your SFZ video was MIDI running a sound source. Why would PGMusic do that when there is so much competition in that field? If you mean RTs in SFZ then wouldn't they be static loops? I don't know if you can regenerate a RT in SFZ. Unless off course I am completely in la-la-land again and misunderstood. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: All RT as SFZ? MarioD #424999 08/07/17 10:34 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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Pipeline Veteran P Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 7,954	You have the RealTrack playing but you would like it to play the notes you want in a section, rather than using Melodyne to try and stretch the notes you can use midi with the same instrument that was used to record the RealTrack originally, that has been sampled to an SFZ instrument, if you look in the Biab SFZ you will find some that have already been sampled: Originally Posted By: Trygve Larsen .. Well, I have to say I am very satisfied with the quality of the few one that came with 2017, but we need more! ... Originally Posted By: MarioD What I heard and saw in your SFZ video was MIDI running a sound source. In the video the RT is playing some bars then the SFZ is playing the next bars using your own notes. Watch https://www.dropbox.com/s/6krkobu3yb65wsr/RealTrack-ShinyGuitar.mp4?dl=0 Download https://www.dropbox.com/s/6krkobu3yb65wsr/RealTrack-ShinyGuitar.mp4?dl=1 Click No Thanks Continue at bottom to skip login, download if not playing clear. Unless off course I am completely in la-la-land again and misunderstood what TL is asking for.

Re: All RT as SFZ? Pipeline #425058 08/07/17 02:27 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 1,143 Philippines Trygve Larsen OP Expert
OP Trygve Larsen Expert Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 1,143 Philippines	Originally Posted By: Pipeline TL might mean like Sforzando RealTrack Solos ? The ones in here ? : Yes, exactly Pipeline... Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of. Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.

Re: All RT as SFZ? MarioD #425059 08/07/17 02:30 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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OP Trygve Larsen Expert Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 1,143 Philippines	Originally Posted By: MarioD Unless off course I am completely in la-la-land again and misunderstood. I am afraid u r in this matter Mario... But u r welcome back anytime...;) Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of. Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.

Re: All RT as SFZ? Pipeline #425063 08/07/17 02:59 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,217 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,217 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: Pipeline You have the RealTrack playing but you would like it to play the notes you want in a section, rather than using Melodyne to try and stretch the notes you can use midi with the same instrument that was used to record the RealTrack originally, that has been sampled to an SFZ instrument, if you look in the Biab SFZ you will find some that have already been sampled: Originally Posted By: Trygve Larsen .. Well, I have to say I am very satisfied with the quality of the few one that came with 2017, but we need more! ... Originally Posted By: MarioD What I heard and saw in your SFZ video was MIDI running a sound source. In the video the RT is playing some bars then the SFZ is playing the next bars using your own notes. Watch https://www.dropbox.com/s/6krkobu3yb65wsr/RealTrack-ShinyGuitar.mp4?dl=0 Download https://www.dropbox.com/s/6krkobu3yb65wsr/RealTrack-ShinyGuitar.mp4?dl=1 Click No Thanks Continue at bottom to skip login, download if not playing clear. Unless off course I am completely in la-la-land again and misunderstood what TL is asking for. Got it, I think. SFZ is using a sound from a RT and using it as a MIDI sound source. Right? I don't use SFZ so I am not as familiar with it as others. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: All RT as SFZ? Trygve Larsen #425064 08/07/17 03:01 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,217 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,217 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: Trygve Larsen Originally Posted By: MarioD Unless off course I am completely in la-la-land again and misunderstood. I am afraid u r in this matter Mario... But u r welcome back anytime...;) You had better be careful now Trygve. My wife says I am the king of la-la-land Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: All RT as SFZ? MarioD #425066 08/07/17 03:24 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 1,143 Philippines Trygve Larsen OP Expert
OP Trygve Larsen Expert Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 1,143 Philippines	Originally Posted By: MarioD You had better be careful now Trygve. My wife says I am the king of la-la-land Haha, if u r the king there, I will invade it... and deport u... Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of. Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.

Re: All RT as SFZ? MarioD #425067 08/07/17 03:32 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 1,143 Philippines Trygve Larsen OP Expert
OP Trygve Larsen Expert Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 1,143 Philippines	Originally Posted By: MarioD Got it, I think. SFZ is using a sound from a RT and using it as a MIDI sound source. Right? Unless I am the one have invaded the la-la-land, u r right.. And that was the reason I posted the Idea that RT is an ideal source to make Sound Fonts from, but it needs to be made in a proper way, and I guess some of the staff in PG-Music is the one to made the one that we got with 2017, that I use a lot... Seems like there is a need for a clarification on the matter? Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of. Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.

Re: All RT as SFZ? Trygve Larsen #425118 08/08/17 03:29 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,217 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,217 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: Trygve Larsen Originally Posted By: MarioD You had better be careful now Trygve. My wife says I am the king of la-la-land Haha, if u r the king there, I will invade it... and deport u... I don't think so. My army is bigger that your army Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: All RT as SFZ? Trygve Larsen #425120 08/08/17 03:50 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,217 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,217 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: Trygve Larsen Originally Posted By: MarioD Got it, I think. SFZ is using a sound from a RT and using it as a MIDI sound source. Right? Unless I am the one have invaded the la-la-land, u r right.. And that was the reason I posted the Idea that RT is an ideal source to make Sound Fonts from, but it needs to be made in a proper way, and I guess some of the staff in PG-Music is the one to made the one that we got with 2017, that I use a lot... Seems like there is a need for a clarification on the matter? No I got it. This is a good idea for those who use RTs and want to add a lead or harmony to a RT via MIDI. A workaround would be to sample a sound from an RT, convert it to a soundfont with Creative's Vienna: http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Other-AUDIO-Tools/Creative-Vienna-SoundFont-Studio.shtml then play it in either a soundfont player or SFZ. Back a few years ago when SF2s were the big thing I used to chop wavs, usually a number of them to cover a better range of the instrument without artifacts, then use Vienna to make a SF2. Thus I know it works but off course I forgot how to do it! Note that Vienna is an old program and may or may not work with today's computers. You may have to use compatibility mode. There are probably other methods out there but I just remembered about Vienna. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: All RT as SFZ? Trygve Larsen #425127 08/08/17 05:02 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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jford Veteran Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,672 Pensacola, Florida	The guy who makes Synthfont (Kenneth Rundt) also makes a utility called Viena (one "n") to be somewhat of a "Vienna" clone that you can use to make sound fonts. The original Vienna (as I recall) requires you to have a SoundBlaster Soundfont compatible card to work, whereas Viena doesn't care. You can download it from the Synthfont site. John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 2x2TB, 1x4TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 2x1.5TB, 2x2TB, 1x4TB SATA BB2025/UMC404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/MixBus/Notion/Finale/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com

Re: All RT as SFZ? Pipeline #425193 08/08/17 10:55 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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Chris Heinen Enthusiast Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 64	I've been following this thread with interest... I'm not on the newest BIAB/RB where folks are using the new SFZ content (I'm way back on 2015). So, I just assumed this was already shipping, so ignore if this is obsolete.... I've always liked the sound of Oliver Gannon's electric guitar, for example on "RT1086: Guitar, Electric, Soloist JazzSwing Sw 110" If there were an SFZ derived from the notes played in this RealTrack, that would be great! Pop an SFZ MIDI track in, go into Notation window, make up your own breaks using Oliver's tone and "Bob's your uncle!" There's probably tons of existing BIAB WAV material that would be great source material for a project like that, on all kinds of solo instruments. Again, I just assumed that PG Music was shipping this content now. Is that not the case?

Re: All RT as SFZ? Chris Heinen #425200 08/08/17 11:15 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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Pipeline Veteran P Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 7,954	Originally Posted By: Chris Heinen ...I've always liked the sound of Oliver Gannon's electric guitar, for example on "RT1086: Guitar, Electric, Soloist JazzSwing Sw 110" If there were an SFZ derived from the notes played in this RealTrack, that would be great! Pop an SFZ MIDI track in, go into Notation window, make up your own breaks using Oliver's tone and "Bob's your uncle!"... Free Archtop Guitar for RealTrack Jazz Electric Guitar (27) The 24bit samples are at the bottom of the page http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=417093#Post417093

Re: All RT as SFZ? MarioD #425426 08/09/17 08:40 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 1,143 Philippines Trygve Larsen OP Expert
OP Trygve Larsen Expert Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 1,143 Philippines	Originally Posted By: MarioD Originally Posted By: Trygve Larsen Originally Posted By: MarioD You had better be careful now Trygve. My wife says I am the king of la-la-land Haha, if u r the king there, I will invade it... and deport u... I don't think so. My army is bigger that your army Haha, have u forgotten I am an old Norwegian viking? Vikings did not care about how big army there was, they invaded anyway... Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of. Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.

Re: All RT as SFZ? Chris Heinen #425428 08/09/17 08:45 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 1,143 Philippines Trygve Larsen OP Expert
OP Trygve Larsen Expert Joined: Oct 2015 Posts: 1,143 Philippines	Originally Posted By: Chris Heinen Again, I just assumed that PG Music was shipping this content now. Is that not the case? Yes, u r right in that Chris. It came in 2017, Included with 31 soundfonts, all made from RT, if I am not wrong, or stil in La-La-Land. Time for u to upgrade? I have not used all yet, but the one I have used, sounds pretty close to RT... Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of. Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.

Re: All RT as SFZ? Trygve Larsen #425467 08/10/17 02:53 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,217 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: Trygve Larsen Originally Posted By: MarioD Originally Posted By: Trygve Larsen Originally Posted By: MarioD You had better be careful now Trygve. My wife says I am the king of la-la-land Haha, if u r the king there, I will invade it... and deport u... I don't think so. My army is bigger that your army Haha, have u forgotten I am an old Norwegian viking? Vikings did not care about how big army there was, they invaded anyway... Go ahead, make my day Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

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