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** I'm not technically savvy so please be kind to me*** My BIAB laptop is under performing - it stutters and stops during songs. F12 is my best friend  From reading earlier forum posts, I downloaded & ran Geek Bench, but the results mean nothing to me. Can someone please tell me what the results mean? Apart from BIAB I don't run anything from this laptop - it has no virus protection and limited internet access. TOSHIBA Satellite A500 Single-Core Score Multi-Core Score 1358 1536 Geekbench 4.1.1 Tryout for Windows x86 (32-bit) Result Information Upload Date August 19 2017 07:01 AM Views 1 System Information TOSHIBA Satellite A500 Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (32-bit) Model TOSHIBA Satellite A500 Processor Intel Core 2 Duo T6600 @ 2.19 GHz 1 processor, 2 cores Processor ID GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 23 Stepping 10 Processor Codename Penryn Processor Package Socket P (478) L1 Instruction Cache 32 KB x 2 L1 Data Cache 32 KB x 2 L2 Cache 2048 KB L3 Cache 0 KB Motherboard TOSHIBA KSKAA Northbridge Intel GM45/GM47 07 Southbridge Intel 82801IM (ICH9-M) 03 BIOS TOSHIBA V2.00 Memory 4096 MB DDR2 SDRAM 399MHz Single-Core Performance Single-Core Score 1358 Crypto Score 76 Integer Score 1647 Floating Point Score 1101 Memory Score 1417 AES 76 59.2 MB/sec LZMA 1860 2.91 MB/sec JPEG 1879 15.1 Mpixels/sec Canny 1268 17.6 Mpixels/sec Lua 1347 1.38 MB/sec Dijkstra 2095 1.42 MTE/sec SQLite 1483 41.1 Krows/sec HTML5 Parse 1410 6.40 MB/sec HTML5 DOM 1885 1.71 MElements/sec Histogram Equalization 1482 46.3 Mpixels/sec PDF Rendering 1292 34.3 Mpixels/sec LLVM 2534 174.3 functions/sec Camera 1668 4.63 images/sec SGEMM 512 10.8 Gflops SFFT 699 1.74 Gflops N-Body Physics 1005 750.8 Kpairs/sec Ray Tracing 989 144.5 Kpixels/sec Rigid Body Physics 1644 4814.7 FPS HDR 1764 6.40 Mpixels/sec Gaussian Blur 927 16.3 Mpixels/sec Speech Recognition 1580 13.5 Words/sec Face Detection 1580 461.6 Ksubwindows/sec Memory Copy 829 2.30 GB/sec Memory Latency 4503 96.1 ns Memory Bandwidth 763 4.08 GB/sec Multi-Core Performance Multi-Core Score 1536 Crypto Score 75 Integer Score 1960 Floating Point Score 1326 Memory Score 1263 AES 75 58.2 MB/sec LZMA 2362 3.69 MB/sec JPEG 2464 19.8 Mpixels/sec Canny 1732 24.0 Mpixels/sec Lua 1739 1.79 MB/sec Dijkstra 2068 1.40 MTE/sec SQLite 1456 40.4 Krows/sec HTML5 Parse 1784 8.10 MB/sec HTML5 DOM 1880 1.70 MElements/sec Histogram Equalization 1972 61.6 Mpixels/sec PDF Rendering 1701 45.2 Mpixels/sec LLVM 3342 229.8 functions/sec Camera 1627 4.51 images/sec SGEMM 513 10.9 Gflops SFFT 696 1.74 Gflops N-Body Physics 1378 1.03 Mpairs/sec Ray Tracing 1297 189.5 Kpixels/sec Rigid Body Physics 2215 6484.8 FPS HDR 2356 8.54 Mpixels/sec Gaussian Blur 919 16.1 Mpixels/sec Speech Recognition 1833 15.7 Words/sec Face Detection 2271 663.3 Ksubwindows/sec Memory Copy 854 2.37 GB/sec Memory Latency 3074 140.8 ns Memory Bandwidth 769 4.11 GB/sec Am I using a popgun when I should be using a cannon? It's an old laptop, and probably needs to be replaced. Or not??? Any comments are appreciated. (sorry for the long post)
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Keith, When you say... My BIAB laptop is under performing - it stutters and stops during songs. ... try this and see if it makes a difference. 1. Load a song with known playback problems. 2. Right-click on the chord sheet and select "Song Settings". 3. In the Song Settings menu, select "This song has playback problems, disable fast generation". 4. Generate the song (it will take slightly longer now before it plays). Did that help? Also, when did you last defrag your computer? Regards, Noel
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With Geekbench, we compare only one spec: the single core score. Yours (barely) meets the minimum requirements for BIAB.
In addition to Noel’s tip, look in Options, Preferences, RealTracks and find a couple of checkboxes having to do with slower PCs.
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Keith, Visit Toshiba's website and go to the page that has software and drivers for your laptop. Download and install any updates that have been posted since the last time you visited the site. Visit Intel's website +++ HERE +++. Download and run the Intel chipset scanner. The utility program identifies what Intel chips are used inside the laptop, examines the chipset drivers in Windows and suggests updates if they are needed. While looking over the information I did not see how much memory your laptop has. Your laptop can use 4 GB of memory. +++ Crucial.com +++ has a utility program that scans your computer and suggests memory that works in your computer. If your laptop has only 1 or 2 GB of memory upgrading to the full 4 GB is inexpensive and pretty easy to do. If you're not comfortable swapping memory any computer shop can do it and may not charge you if you buy the memory from them. If you have not run the hard drive defrag program in a a long time you may need to let the program run overnight. It can take a day or longer for the program to complete.
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Thank you guys, I appreciate your help and will try your suggestions. I run defrag regularly, so that shouldn't be an issue.
Matt - the single core score you mentioned is 1358; ideally what should it be?
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Matt - the single core score you mentioned is 1358; ideally what should it be?
Higher.
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Hee hee. A little higher or a lot higher?
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OK. I've decided to bite the bullet and buy a new laptop.
Can anyone please advise the minimum specs that I should look for?
I only use it for BIAB so I don't need a lot of extras.
And a further question; since I've had the old laptop (about 9 years) I've updated every year, and purchased all of the extras from PG Music - some were on CDs and some were downloaded (the main program is on a HDD)
To save a lot of time, if I were to copy the bb file from the old laptop, transfer it to an external drive, and then copy that to the new laptop, would that work?.
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Keith, Your plan to copy the \bb and \Realband folders to an external source and then load that onto your new computer will work fine. This is what I do every time I get a new computer. You will need to run the 2017 minimal install after doing the above so that you set the new computer up for BIAB. Make sure you deactivate BIAB (under the Help option) before deleting it off your older computer. This will preserve the 3 activations that PG Music give. The below thread has more detailed information on this process if you wish to read it. http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=423589#Post423589Regards, Noel
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Thanks Noel, I appreciate your help.
I'll give that a try.
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Don't just get minimum specs. Get the most powerful you can afford. I would have thought most new laptops would be plenty powerful enough. Make sure it has a big Hard drive in the laptop, lots of USB slots. Preferably USB 3. If you don't need a laptop (eg for performing live), you get a lot more bang for your bucks with desktops. I wouldn't bother with a DVD drive etc unless you have poor internet. I guess most new laptops don't even have DVD drives now. Others will add more useful info as well.
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I only use it for BIAB so I don't need a lot of extras. You're thinking of this exactly backwards. This statement implies you're "only running Biab" like that's some simple thing. No, any digital audio software that renders and manipulates audio (which includes Biab or any DAW like Real Band) stresses the heck out of a computer. There are no "extras" there's only the CPU, RAM and type of system drive which in the modern world means an SSD not a spinning hard drive. Any new PC with mid range power will have USB 3 so I guess an extra would be the number of USB ports. More is better. You asked Matt how much higher. My answer: A lot. The computer in my sig that I picked up off Ebay used last year for $600 scores 3,287. That's middle of the pack, high end new machines can score 7,500. I just ran the new Geekbench 4 and they don't test single core any more, they have something called Open CL and my score is 17,815. I have no idea what that means or how it compares to the old single core score. Anyway like was said, get the most CPU and ram you can afford with a minimum 256 gig SSD. 128 gigs would really be cutting it close for a system drive running audio apps. An i5 processor would be my minimum with an i7 much preferred. Bob
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I agree with Bob and lambada about getting a powerful computer. I will disagree with lambada about a DVD/CD burner. I would try to get an internal DVD/CD drive. IMHO you need a DVD/CD drive so you can burn your songs to CDs, create a boot disk (which you can not do with an external drive) etc. YMMV
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Many years ago, I bought a netbook (big mistake) that had no CD/DVD drive. I bought an external USB drive for it. I actually still have it; my wife’s Mac mini has no CD/DVD drive either. So, you should be able to add this if needed.
I have to say, I hardly use the burner anymore, what with MP3s even in my car.
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From what I've read there's no need for a recovery CD either. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17422/windows-8-create-usb-recovery-drive.Another thing I read but can't find the article, is USB 3 is fast enough to use a thumb drive to put your cloned HD on and then boot from it. I recently picked up a 64 Gig USB 3 Sandisk thumb drive for that but haven't cloned my OS to it yet. Bob
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This is interesting. I have two laptops and never will boot from a USB port, even if I set it up to do so in the BIOS. Apparently on these two the OS must load prior to opening the USB ports. Maybe things have changed in the last two years?
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You should be able to boot from USB .. needing an OS to load first defeats the purpose.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Yep....
I agree, always buy as much computer and processing power as you can afford.
Having said that....
Often when people come in asking about performance related issues and say they're getting clicks, pops, hesitation, stuff out of sync, the first thing I think about is the sound card. It's generally at the root of those sorts of problems.
You can't generally get good performance out of factory (stock) sound cards and their drivers. Most of the folks here and on other music recording web sites are using third party external sound cards and ASIO drivers. Just about any computer will run the software just fine, but you do need to have a soundcard/interface that's up to the task.
I have run and still have a laptop that is pitifully under-powered by today's and PG's minimum requirements. YET.... with my Focusrite interface and ASIO drivers, I get absolutely great performance in spite of the fact that is s duo-core, running Vista for the OS and I think it has either 1 or 2 gig at most for it's memory.
My standard desktop DAW is similar.... 4GB, i5 chip, XP pro/32 and it's a rock solid workhorse.
You will get better performance out of an old bare minimum computer with a nice aftermarket recording interface than you will with a state of the art computer with a factory standard soundcard chip set.
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I note that I have an Intel I5-4430 @3.00 GHz, with 10GB of ram on an HP Machine. When I download the Intel Chipset scan, it said these are generic Intel customized by the manufacturer. And that statement is a link, where all the mfrs come up, and I can choose HP, but that goes to their general support website, so I didn't go any further. I'm not having any problems with BB, my mic and headphone and keyboard all go through the Focusrite Scarlett Solo.
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http://www.wirerealm.com/guides/top-10-best-computers-music-productionThe Lenevo Think Server looks good. Now that Band in a Box comes on its own hard drive, has that changed anything, as far as what computer to use? I have a fast C: drive that runs the programs, and a big ol' 1T hybrid D: where the working files are sent. Video is like audio, by uses more power and space.
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New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
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