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Still keeping this a very friendly discussion with an open mind, here's a very interesting take from Princeton that I had not heard before. Instead of the Forbes article saying that we could reduce to zero with no change we have this from Princeton that says it won't matter what we do, we're all screwed anyway. That was part of my original point don't forget. Are humans really capable of stopping this anyway?

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2013/11/24/even-if-emissions-stop-carbon-dioxide-could-warm-earth-centuries

Again the cost of doing this drastic CO2 and related emissions reductions is extreme especially in the short run. Very disruptive to the economy, long term maybe not so bad but people are doing their jobs NOW, who can afford to be put out of work and go for a complete retraining effort in their 40's or 50's?.

And now this article basically says it's worse than they thought, so much has been built into the system that we wouldn't see any cooling effect for centuries no matter what we do.

I'm absolutely NOT saying that's good news, I'm saying lets not completely disrupt the economy, lets let the economies of the world boom and that could bring about some high tech solutions we're not aware of yet. Or, high tech solutions that help us to survive the coming climate change if it actually happens. I'm still 50/50 on that.

Why you ask? The 93% consensus you say? Because I'm old enough to remember the 70's. Does everybody freaking out about the coming ICE AGE mean anything to you? No? Well, somewhere around the mid 70's was the exact same stuff about climate change as now. I mean exact, same shrill announcements, same blame, it's all the industrialized West's fault lead of course by the US. BUT it was about COOLING. We all were going to freeze to death, the glaciers were coming back to Manhattan, all that stuff. Lots of talk about the middle ages when the Thames and some European rivers froze, there's old masters paintings of people ice skating on those rivers. It was all coming back.

Want to know what two possible solutions were? Drop giga tons of COAL DUST in the Artic and Antarctic to help melt the ice and/or to put up huge reflective mirrors in orbit to beam down warming sunlight. I kid you not guys, this was all over the news at that time. This is one reason us old timers take all the new talk about global warming with a big grain of salt. Anybody reading this who's too young to have lived through all that hysteria just Google it. It's all there.

And I don't want to hear about how our new computer models are so much better than then, how the sensors are better and all that. Everybody of every age thinks their stuff is the best there ever was or ever will be. How good will the new stuff be in 20 years? Will it produce the same results as now? Very doubtful.

Bob