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Looking for help. I have a nice little folk tune I have put together in BIAB. But I need lyrics to go with the tune. I have a deadline of end of this month. How hard can that be?  I have my paper and pencil that I am carrying. But is there a computer aid that I should be using to help me with the process? I did a google search and can came upon TuneSmith and downloading free version now. But is there something else that you folks recommend? Found this older thread here. http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=406388&site_id=1
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Dan,
If you have the tune happening, what I'd do is as follows.
1. Find a concept that I'd like to use as the song's story line.
2. Write out that story in essay style (around 160 - 200 words).
3. Take the above prose and divide the ideas into the sections of your song. For example: Verse 1 ideas, Verse 2 ideas, Bridge ideas.
4. Map the themes of these sections against the melodies that you've written. (This is probably the hardest part of all since it requires thinking of language in terms of a jigsaw puzzle and getting the right words to do the right job.)
5. Now ask, What common theme links these three sections? That theme will be the chorus, if the song has a chorus.
Hope this helps.
If you get stuck, I'm more than happy to help out with thoughts or suggestions.
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Thank you Noel, I appreciate your suggestions and offer to help. As you know I still have the day job so it is hard to find time for this. But it is a road I have to travel and now is a good time to proceed.
I will keep you in the loop. Thanks.
By the way, I am working through the demo version of Rhyme Genie - it looks on first pass to be pretty good...
Let me open the free companion software which is TuneSmith next.
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I just noticed we have a "Song Writting Forum". Who can keep track of them all?  I should have moved this thread over there. I will have to try to visit there going forward.
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There's a free program called VersePerfect that I've found to be pretty useful. Another method for writing is pretty much opposite of the one Noel proposed: come up with some provocative line and then work backwards to justify it. Typically, that might be the chorus. It's also helpful to make a list of words the represent ideas that you want in your song. Then make a list of rhyming words (I like RhymeZone) to see if you can form any interesting couplets.
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Thanks much guys. All very good information. I am sure my "workflow" will include elements of all your suggestions. I downloaded VersePerfect and dropped the $25 for Rhyme Genie and TuneSmith. I figure my winnings will cover the cost of the tools. The Song is rough right now, but I have a couple weekends to try to pull it together. Thanks again
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Looking for help. I have a nice little folk tune I have put together in BIAB. But I need lyrics to go with the tune. not to complicate things: unless the song is required to be in the folk genre, maybe changing biab styles may spark some lyric ideas
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Dan,
If you have the tune happening, what I'd do is as follows.
1. Find a concept that I'd like to use as the song's story line.
2. Write out that story in essay style (around 160 - 200 words).
3. Take the above prose and divide the ideas into the sections of your song. For example: Verse 1 ideas, Verse 2 ideas, Bridge ideas.
4. Map the themes of these sections against the melodies that you've written. (This is probably the hardest part of all since it requires thinking of language in terms of a jigsaw puzzle and getting the right words to do the right job.)
5. Now ask yourself, What common theme links these three sections... that theme will be the chorus, if your song has a chorus. .... I agree with the approach above. Back in 1975 my college songwriting class suggested this process....especially if one is just starting to write song lyrics. It takes practice. Personally, I don't really use that approach as I'm able to write in lyric form from the beginning of a new idea. During the writing process it can be very easy to lose sight of the original song subject/context and start writing verses that don't relate to each other. It takes me several re-writes to get the lyrics to flow lyrically/phonically with the music.....and to my particular satisfaction. OP....good luck with your endeavor.
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VersePerfect is great for helping find rhyming words. So is the dillfrog website, which has a crummy interface, but seems to be a little more loose in providing rhymes which can be a good thing.
Once you are done with this immediate need, take Pat Pattision's class (I think Noel was the first here to recommend it). Then work on it as much as you practice scales and rudiments.
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so far, there's no comparison to the human imagination for writing song lyrics.
find a co-writer and share the credit and money
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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New update versions of both
64-bit Rhyme Genie 9.1 & Re-designed TuneSmith 6
available for free if your ever registered.
Some good to nice features in this package for 25 USD for those interested.
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There are lyric generators on the web as well, for ideas etc . . .
Good luck and please post the song when finished, thanks.
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There are lyric generators on the web as well, for ideas etc . . .
Good luck and please post the song when finished, thanks.
Trax I did. I used this "tool" to help me write In a Folk Mood, over in the 2017 contest. I am a newbee song writer at best, so I looked for some type of aid to give me structure and format. I had a spare $25 dollars at the time and I had fun using the tool. BTW, the free upgrades add a lot of enhanced functionality.
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so far, there's no comparison to the human imagination for writing song lyrics.
find a co-writer and share the credit and money +1 Songs are stories set to music. Stories come from experience, not software.
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