Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker
John, John, John,


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There are so many examples around the world where modern countries have fixed this problem by severely restricting or outright banning certain guns. And in every single case it has worked to dramatically reduce gun violence!


Please explain Chicago to us. The most restrictive gun laws in the country along with NYC and DC, and the highest gun violence anywhere. Worse than Afghanistan in a war zone.

And the whole idea that having guns in your home or on your person makes you safer is just false propaganda spread by the NRA and their supporters. Far more innocents are killed every year by accidents or in acts of passion than bad guys breaking into your house.

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And this argument that banning guns means only bad guys will have them is totally wrong!


If guns are illegal..... then yes, only bad guys will have them.

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And I get so tired of hearing how people can kill with cars or knives.


I get so tired of people telling me that I should give up my guns because they don't like guns. It goes both ways.
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And background checks? What a joke! I can walk into a gun show in any major American city on pretty much any weekend and, without a background check, waltz right out with an arsenal of weapons built for a single purpose...to kill people. I can be a violent felon and still buy my gun at a gun show. Hell, I can even buy it online, with NO BACKGROUND CHECK AT ALL!


That is absolutely NOT TRUE. Not a single gun in a gun show (except antiques) are sold without an IBGC. The dealer could go to jail and lose his license for selling guns in that manner. I don't think you have ever been to a gun show. That one paragraph exhibits an astounding degree of ignorance of the facts.

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Oh, you say you want an AR-15 for target practice? I say the lives of other citizens far outweigh your "right" to own a weapon of mass destruction. I don't care how good you think you are. Maybe my hobby is small nuclear devices or I just like to dabble in a little amateur chemistry producing toxic nerve agents. Well, guess what? The good of society outweighs my desire for my hobby!


NOPE, not even close. Wrong again. Your feelings do NOT trump my 2nd amendment constitutional right to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.

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All of the lame arguments are so easy to take apart but lemme just finish with a simple summary. The gun issue in the USA is NOT about 2nd amendment (it is for militia anyway and not personal ownership). And it is not about freedom from tyranny (your silly AR-15 will be no match for soldiers with more modern weaponry anyway). Not about personal protection (long guns and especially assault rifles are not what you use to defend yourself against a break-in).


And..... yep... wrong again. On every point. If you think you don't use an AR-15 for self defense, or that it's not a good match-up against other weapons, you really need to get informed. It's one of the most popular rifles ever made and for a really good reason. It happens to be a very easy and reliable rifle to use for hunting, target shooting, and yes, in close quarter self defense situations. And..... it's accurate as heck.

Example..... shortly after NC relaxed it's gun laws to favor the law-abiding citizen over the criminal, three hood-rats decided to do a home invasion. It turned out that there was a 17 year old girl and a 15 year old boy at home. When he heard his sister yell, he grabbed the family AR-15 and charged the bolt. ( That means he loaded a bullet into the chamber making it ready to fire ) He confronted the 3 hood-rats and when they came at him he opened fire hitting several of them. One collapsed and died in the front yard of the house. The other was taken by his remaining hood-rat buddy to the local hospital for a gunshot wound. Both were arrested. The sheriff declined to press charges against the boy, instead praising him for his quick action with the rifle. He would probably been killed and his sister raped because the hood-rats had a list of prior felonies as long as their arms. They were bad dudes. But that Ar-15 personal defense rifle more than leveled the playing field. So don't even try to say the AR-15 isn't a good SD rifle. This story was national news due to NC just changing it's laws regarding self defense.




I don't have time to properly address all your misinformation so I'll just cover two and leave you to soak in the rest of it.

Explaining Chicago is the simplest one of all but I'll do it for you in case you are truly unable to figure it out. From Chicago you can drive a half hour in any direction except east and buy guns. Then you just turn the car around and drive back to Chicago! Not all that complicated.

And regarding gun shows you absolutely do not require a background check to buy from anyone there who is not a registered dealer. It is called the gun show loophole; maybe you've heard of it? Likewise, you can buy online and there are gun nut websites that work a lot like Craigslist where thousands of such transactions occur, all with no background checks!

Last edited by JohnJohnJohn; 10/03/17 01:00 PM.