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But if you really want to go into the innermost ring where the torture is the most severe, you could be forced to use Ableton Live. This thread is truly hilarious. This is Ford vs Chevy, Ginger vs Mary Ann, Janet vs Chrissy, Miller vs Budweiser.... As has been the case in he half dozen or so debates I Have seen in my time on these forums, what you KNOW best is what you SAY is best. The course I took last summer was a split course that covered both Pro Tools and Ableton. The prof that taught it does a lot of hip hop and electronica production, and has had several compositions used in films. This after her Berklee degree from the Barcelona campus. She prefers Ableton. A local studio here, Suma recording run by Paul Hamann, allowed me to hang around and observe for 2 days while someone I knew did her album. That studio is where Paul's father Ken Hamann engineered Grand Funk, is a Pro Tools house. Sadly, Paul died recently from cancer. The guy that did my CD uses Samplitude. The common thread is that it's what THEY know best. So I ask anybody who has ever changed DAW. Why did you change? When you sat down with your new DAW, wasn't it a learning experience? Don't you feel musically wiser for now knowing another tool? I mean, to put a golf analogy to it, you CAN hit your 2 iron off the tee, but at some point shouldn't you learn how to hit the driver/ I am STILL waiting to hear any specific objections to Pro Tools. All I am hearing is "It's too hard." "Too hard" doesn't exist in my world. My world is more like "You say it's too hard? Then that's the one for me. I want that." But that's me. I love a challenge, as is evidenced by my willingness to try marriage that 3rd time.... And my song Here Goes Nuttin' was about that brief moment of insanity where I considered doing it a 4th time. See, I don't care about "faster". I have nothing but time. When I had that issue with my interface that Steve helped me fix, that was nerdvana for me. Computer, software and hardware troubleshooting? I really enjoy that stuff. And as I went through the steps Steve sent me, I was able to understand what got out of sync as I fixed it. The same way I worked through questions when I started using profiles. But I am now out of this one. I really have no reason to care what anybody else uses.
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Sorry, this thread seems to be going all over the place.... Anyway, what I see happening in the music industry is a decline overall in musicianship. It used to be something to make fun of, with boy bands and hip hop and all, but these trends are persisting -- much longer than I ever thought they would.
I watched the 2017 American Music Awards this past week. Mostly noticed a lot of very young women in skimpy dress's. But there was one Act, with a hung banner hanging in the back which read "No Computers up here, all live musicians". At least a dozen or more musicians playing there instruments. Only problem, I don't know who they were! But at least it shows the issue is recognized.
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+++ The Tracktion Website +++ has version 6 available as a free download. There is also a version 7 before the DAW name was changed to Waveform. There are a lot of tutorial videos that will help make the transition easier.
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hi studio 1 3 nice mixacraft 8 really nice very sonar looking same features 99.00 reaper is very different for me midi was a hassle for me still working on it eric
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while I'm not tied to Sonar anymore I did a quick serach over there and didn't see this post/announcement
do you have link (or email I know I didn't get one)
Larry
PS your post says you haven't tried Cubase yet by all means try it but I did that long time ago and walked away (three times) because problem with BOTH Cubase and Pro Tools as well is each DAW chains you to a a HARDWARE dongle! They haven't even updated to the SW versions of iLOk to make lifer slightly less risky AND slightly easier for end user).
Plus my latest issue/run in with with Cubase (8.5) was a a few years ago was in Win 7: you HAD TO be running Win Aero, no if's and's or but's -but that caused me heartaches in TWO other application's so once again I didn't bother to update my really old version. Haven't retried V10 under Win 10 - still need hardware dongle so not inclined to go down that path again....
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Hi Larry. If you go to the SONAR forum, the very first sticky has the announcement (followed by pages and pages of sympathy, blame, despair and just about every other emotion you could request.
Yes, I just dumped another software requiring a dongle and would rather not go back. I do know it’s the right choice for my needs once Windows breaks SONAR. I figure I have a few years until then. I found other DAWs that were promising until I looked at notation.
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Cubase elements 9 the cut down version, but still very capable doesn't need a dongle.
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I didn’t know that. Thank you! Something to try.
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So I ask anybody who has ever changed DAW. Why did you change? When you sat down with your new DAW, wasn't it a learning experience? Don't you feel musically wiser for now knowing another tool? Yes, this has been a crazy thread. For me, One word for why I switched from Adobe Audition to Pro Tools: MIDI Past versions of Audition had danced around MIDI implementation a little bit and more current versions kind of phased it out. I thought that both tools were fairly comparable in terms of feature set but Pro Tools has quite the detailed amount of MIDI tools. Yes, I could have gone to SONAR since they seem to have good MIDI as well but had messed with it in past years and never really got into it as many forum members here have. Pro Tools was a BIG learning experience and yes, I feel a little wiser for it. Another reason it was the tool I went with is that I'm a big follower of Graham and the Recording Revolution. He's a big Pro Tools guy and I had seen tons of his videos using the tool. Therefore, I already had a built-in resource for learning it. That helped me a lot.
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....Graham and the Recording Revolution. He's a big Pro Tools guy .... But the first thing he tells you is WHICH DAW is unimportant, go with what you have (ditto mics, monitors, etc. ) its more about YOU then the tools - he's all about just "get 'er done" or maybe Nike is more apropos "just do it"
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just out of curiosity what about notation are you looking for (editing, viewing, printing - or all of the above)
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Larry, the main limit I've seen is viewing the notation of more than one track at a time (look at a score). I know Cubase will work fine; I'm just evaluating simpler, less expensive DAWs to rule them out first.
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copy, was just wondering.
let me(us) know if you settle on something
I thought it might be a notation entering/editing as well as strong MIDI editing (FL12: MIDI - piano roll is really good; but there is not any notation support, unless you count output to PDF file as "notation" support)
Since AUDIO recording/manipulation was introduced to transform Sequencers into DAW's (circa CW Pro Audio 9 days) - MIDI and especially score & notation viewing/editing/entering have ALL been afterthoughts if even given any thought at all
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hi guys made the plung reaper ,mixcraft very much like sonar mixbuss and band in the box eric
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Tip:
If you are trying Acoustica Mixcraft, and if you have a Behringer X-Touch, then to make that work, you must select Logic Control (not Mackie Control) in the preferences, control surfaces. This is not documented anywhere that I could find.
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How are you finding MixCraft, Matt? I've played with it a little but, but mostly have used Sonar and RealBand/PowerTracks. But I like the MixCraft interface and it's not too difficult to figure out.
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That's what I like about it, John: it's not too hard to figure out! After all the hoops some software has put me through, I like simple.
I love the iPhone app for it.
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There are many options. The Cakewalk void will likely be filled quick, if not replaced by a buyer to use the name right away.
Reaper, Mixcraft, n-Tracks, or even multitrackstudio (plus many more)...
So many options out there now, it's hard to keep up anymore.
We live in good times.
Find what you like and make music.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
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I agree that there are many options. My main issue is that I only got on the Sonar bandwagon a couple of years ago and invested a lot of time learning what was supposed to be one of industry leaders (can you say Craig Anderton, et. al.) by studying books, websites Groove3, etc., but now have to invest more time in learning something new just as I got comfortable with it.
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yep and I don't think this is even a COMPLETE list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_digital_audio_editorsI've been trying to settle on a "goto" Sonar replacement for over a year now and find I like a lot of stuff BETTER than I ever did Sonar. I had been in that CW state of mind for so long I hadn't realized how FAR from "the basics" (think CW Pro Audio 9: MIDI sequencer + audio Recorder = song maker) it had drifted and how COMPLEX and burdensome it had become. Larry PS BTW I see references to, and we discuss, Sonar as if it were dead and had quit working on our machines. It still works and it will work until MS pushes out new Win 10 "Features" set next spring, or next fall, or the updates after that, that do something to hinder Sonar from working. Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 STILL RUNS and functions on Win 10 (as does X3 and 8.5). It's like all those 1980 synths that have zero USB ports they ALL STILL WORK in Win 10 (if you use a 5-pin DIN MIDI connection). So Sonar may work for another 20 years or may stop with next spring Win 10 Feature update!
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Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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