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Yes, there is the BIAB app, but that’s not what I meant. Run boot camp or parallels on the Mac, load Windows, then run BIAB for PC. Hey Matt, wouldn't this make you vulnerable to the vast world of PC virus if you had to access the net via the partition? I know a lot of Mac users including myself who would not relish the notion of having to load Windows antivirus software or deal with the host of Windows update issues. FWIW. Bud Sure. You would want to run Windows as safely in this mode as you would standalone. [Macs get viruses, too] I will just point out again that Peter Gannon runs BIAB this way; that's what he uses to develop the PC version. If someone is desperate to have the features of the PC version of BIAB, and have the latest version now but run it on a Mac, they can.
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[Macs get viruses, too] I will just point out again that Peter Gannon runs BIAB this way; that's what he uses to develop the PC version. If someone is desperate to have the features of the PC version of BIAB, and have the latest version now but run it on a Mac, they can.
Yes, that's exactly what I meant when I mentioned to purchase the PC version. (And all computers are subject to viruses, and good A/V software simply must be part of the user's toolkit. No O/S is immune.)
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So, what? Most of the audio industry uses Macs, and most plugins, DAWs, and virtual instruments cater to both OSs with the same features. They also mostly run Pro Tools. What's your point? From your comments you don't seem to get that while BIAB CAN be used as a DAW it is designed to CREATE music, and the DAW is just a convenience feature. I can't imagine a studio in the world using BIAB as their DAW of choice because most people buying time in those studios are doing so to record their music. "Most" of the audio industry doesn't use BIAB because the audio industry records people playing live. The industry as it relates to film work also uses SMPTE striping. Does BIAB even do that? I never had reason to investigate. So that logic of "the audio industry" has no weight on a forum as specific as this one. The users here do a very specific thing with the software supported here. Let's keep focus on what BIAB is and what we really discuss here. I can say that if I was able to code software I would not do it for Mac. The most recent stats I can find say that the Mac market share is 9.57%. Now, if you were going to produce a product, would you produce it for 10% of the buying public or 90%?
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Here's my opinion.
If Mac people want more written for them, they should buy every app in their field of interest, from ever vendor who offers something in that field of interest and buy every update and extra that goes along with any app in their field of interest. (Hint- start with all the Norton BiaB products, <wink/grin>).
Am I dreaming? Of course because that will never happen.
But remember, the purpose of being in business is to make money. You need money for yourself, you need money to pay help and subcontractors, you need money to pay for the 'silent partners' in business like the banks, insurance companies, web hosts, local taxing authorities, regional/federal taxing authorities, shopping carts, merchants accounts, credit card authorization services and all the other entities that take a piece of your profits.
Pitching your product to the biggest market share is the most common way of making the most money for the time invested.
True there will always be some who write exclusively for the minor market and want to be the bigger fish in the smaller pond. And that's a good thing.
People write phone apps for Apple and Google because they dominate the phone market. Windows came out with a great phone, it got rave reviews in all the trade magazines, and almost everything was compatible with Windows tablet and desktop computers.
But Windows came to the phone market too late, and the app authors didn't want to waste their time writing for a phone that only held 5% of the market. They can target almost 50% of the market writing for either iOS or Android. So Windows Phone fades away not because the phone is inferior, but because the app authors want to maximize the return for the thousands of hours writing code.
Now don't get me wrong. Apple makes a fine computer. OSX has some things I like better than Win10, and Win10 has some things I like better than OSX. None of the advantages or disadvantages is a deal breaker for me.
But the fact that the world of Windows offers me more software choices by far makes me choose Windows as my main computer.
I release styles and fake disks for Band-in-a-Box for Windows and Mac at the same time, and other than the installation process they are equal. That's because PG Music makes the file data for both platforms identical. This wasn't the case in the early days of BiaB, so give them credit for trying.
And if they write for Windows first, and put a little extra effort in the Windows app, remember, Windows is probably at least 80% of their market, probably closer to 90%, and what is put into the Windows app makes them enough money to develop a similar product for Mac. So appreciate that they write for Mac.
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With all due respect... This discussion is like a time warp going back 15-20 years. Either a bunch of old guys reliving there dwindling memories or some very young guys who don't know what has already been well established. Now where is that smiley face.. 
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Funny, Dan. Except 20 years ago, PG Music didn’t offer a Mac version of BIAB. Imagine what the complaints were like then.
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Glad you recognized the humor. I added two-smiley faces just to be sure folks understood where I was coming from.
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I'd like to start using BIAB audiophile 2018 (Windows version) on my Mac AirBook
High Sierra intel i7 ... 1.7Ghz ... 8 gig ram ... 512 gig SSD
Any suggestions as to which version of Windows 10 to use (Home or Pro) with Boot Camp?
I've had the Audiophile version since at least 2010 and I used Boot Camp / Windows to run that version on my MacPro and it ran smoother on the Mac than on a Think Pad.
I've been using the Think Pad, though for the subsequent audiophile updates, but I'm primarily a Mac user and I don't feel like getting another PC.
I'm assuming that this time around I'll be able to run the 64 bit BIAB. If memory serves, back in the old days the Boot Camp setup would only run 32 bit.
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First off, there is no 64 bit BiaB. It is 32 bit, though JBridge allows some plugins to run in 64 bit. As for Win 10 Home or Pro; for BiaB it will likely not matter. I've seen a Mac running Win 10 with Bootstrap do much more complicated stuff than run BiaB. BiaB should be a piece of cake. Of course YMMV You may want to ask this question on the Mac Forum to see if other Mac users have advice - http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=39&page=1
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As above. Also, the differences between Windows 10 Home and Pro primarily have to do with networking. That would be irrelevant here.
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When it comes to the creative use of computers the top video/audio recording studios use Mac. They also use Pro Tools, which ends the parallel portion of this theory. BIAB creates music. Those top studios to which you refer as the basis of your thesis don't need what BIAB does. BIAB never claimed to be the DAW that those top studios need. This is comparing a NASCAR car to a top fuel dragster. One is meant to run a 500 mile race. The other is made for 1/4 mile. Both "cars", but not built for the same end result. Remember, the engines on those top fuel rail job cars are rebuilt after 2 or 3 runs. (That is just to point out that they are not the same thing. Just like BIAB is not like any other DAW written to MIX music, not create it.) For all the discussion about PC or MacOS, why not just spend $400 and buy a PC, then move your wav files to your Mac? Then you can enjoy what BIAB really does.
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Pretty simply stated, there is no "full version" for Mac for the same reason there was not a huge amount of aftermarket accessories made for dressing up the Yugo.
Meaning that there was not a lot of people in that market, and once those people were done buying the customer base would dry up.
I once played in a little town in Canada that had about 2000 people. They had TWO appliance stores. If you figure a family unit to be 2 parents and 2 kids, that is 500 households in that town. How many refrigerators can you sell to a town with 500 houses? They last like 10 years. To apply that math exponentially, 50 houses per year will need a fridge. That mean each store had a potential customer base to support the sale of 25 refrigerators a year. Is that enough to keep a business open? 2 fridges a month?
Supply and demand. Nothing more. Not that many Mac buyers, no money spent to develop a fully featured Mac version.
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Eddie,
You sir, are just way too logical!
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Eddie,
You sir, are just way too logical! I agree Don. I must admit to being very impressed with all the math and scientific statistical analysis.
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Even better. That town of 2000 had FOUR bars with live music! I remember the Wednesday of that week there was nobody there but the bartenders so for 2 sets we were playing songs we didn't really play, including some television show theme songs. Then at midnight a bachelorette party came in and we had to do the real stuff. FOUR bars that paid bands in that little city.
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I guess Izotope, Waves and a host of other complex sophisticated software manufacturers love Yugos
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Several other posts have mentioned this......
There's an app or a program that lets you (dual) boot and switch to WINDOWS on a MAC.
The simple solution as I see it is to buy the Windows version of BB which gives you RB as well and of course the real tracks.... install the program on the MAC that lets you run windows, install BB on the Mac, use an external USB interface, and you should be good to go.
I'd do that rather than complain that PG isn't catering to less than 10% of the market, if I had a Mac.
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The only downfall to that is that if your mac is on the net it then, via then windows partition, becomes vulnerable to the world of PC viruses...the vast, vast majority of which are not known to macOS. And, consequently, you would have to load and maintain Windows antivirus software.
We are happy Mac BiaB users as are the other Mac users that I know on the forum.
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I guess Izotope, Waves and a host of other complex sophisticated software manufacturers love Yugos I knew a girl way back when that had her Yugo STOLEN. Yep. Not a typo. Somebody stole a YUGO!! My advice to her was to and accept that if somebody needed a car THAT bad that they would risk jail time to steal a YUGO, just let them have it. Claim it on insurance and get the $17.63 insurance was going to pay her for it, and buy a real car. I was still a mailman and part time musician then. One of my patrons got a Yugo immediately when they came out, in 1985. She needed a part for her carburetor 7 weeks later. It took 37 weeks to get that part. In fact I quit the post office to go full time in August of 1986 and she had still not gotten the part. They sold a total of 141,651 cars in the US, never more than 48,000 in a year (1987). In 1992, sales in the US totaled 1,412 cars, and the company folded and sold their assets to Fiat. I suspect Izotope has made more sales.
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XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
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