I have used PT on (8 thru 10) and off with the subscription garbage, and still have a ton of stuff in my iLok account. The reasons I don't like PT...
1. Unstable. On a machine that ANY other DAW runs fine PT freezes, hickup, and crashes. More than Sonar & Reaper for sure.
2. Too many clicks to do simple things, like creating a track....it is like an interrogation and slow compared to every other DAW I have used.
3. Locked to an iLok, the BIGGEST reason I despise PT. Pace systems us a virus that you pay for IMHO.....
I own Sonar Producer (but still use Reaper & Mixbus more), and I am sure it will run solid for years, mainly because my OS NEVER gets updated since my studio system NEVER goes online.
This is bad news for sure, I know a few folks who have had a fit, and then just settled down, cleaned their systems, grabbed all the updates, and got back to work.....
i5 3.20GHz, 32gb RAM, 1tb SSD OS, 12tb HDD, 4gb gForce vid card, 32" monitor, Audient id44, Win10 x64, BiaB/RB 2023, Reaper 6,IK Multimedia Total Studio 3.5 MAX, Waves 10
I have used PT on (8 thru 10) and off with the subscription garbage.....
Sorry to hear you've had so many issues with it. I've been lucky and as long as I keep my iLok and Pro Tools software with the latest version updates, I've been good. My machine stays online unless I'm recording/mixing.
Still confusing to people that can’t use a DAW without a fake mixing board on screen.
Not really, I own the newest Traction Waveform (because of a great deal on it!), so it has nothing to do with old & mixing boards....that is just what I have used my entire pro life.....
You can also hit the Traction Site and grab the Full Version 5 for free, a great way to try out the look and feel.
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i5 3.20GHz, 32gb RAM, 1tb SSD OS, 12tb HDD, 4gb gForce vid card, 32" monitor, Audient id44, Win10 x64, BiaB/RB 2023, Reaper 6,IK Multimedia Total Studio 3.5 MAX, Waves 10
Just FYI update Tracktion is now actually giving away version 6 of Tracktion!
Win10Pro,i9,64GB,2TBSSD+20TBHDDs,1080TI,BIAB'24,Scarlett18i8,Montage7,Fusion 8HD,QS8,Integra7,XV5080,QSR,SC-8850,SPLAT,FL21&others,Komp.14,IK suite&others, just a guitar player-AXE FX III &FM9T, FishmanTP, MIDIGuitar2, GK2/3'sw/GI20
If anyone was interested in using Home Studio but Cakewalk closed before you purchased the software, there is a legal alternative method to obtain Home Studio, Rapture Session and about 5 GB of loops. +++ THIS +++ link to the Cakewalk forum provides the details.
Windows 10 (64bit) M-Audio Fast Track Pro, Band in a Box 2025, Cubase 14, Cakewalk and far too many VST plugins that I probably don't need or will ever use
I have been using Sonar for years. I still have Platinum and many add ons that I will use as long as I can. As far as Gibson owning Cakewalk I found almost as soon as they took over good stuff coming from Cakewalk all but disappeared so I won't miss that.
In the past few weeks I have played around in BIAB a lot more than in the past even though I have been using it for several years. I found a number of the synths and things work nicely in BIAB. I can use TH2, Dimension Pro, Adictive Keys and Drums and in truth that is most of what I used anyhow. I would and do generate the rough in BAIB and mix and apply the synths in Sonar.
Since buying the UltraPak in 2016 I tend to use RealTracks and hardly use Sonar for anything other than the mix and setting the final levels. I find the concrete limiter helps keep things at a more constant level. I merge all tracks into a wav and put that onto a laptop for my backing. I have a template set up in Sonar so a lot is already laid out.
On stage I simply plug into a Roland Tri Capture, use TH2 all preset play the Wav using MediaPlayer and everything is set. All I need to do is flip though the songs.
I don't know ill miss Sonar when it dies as I have other ways to do stuff.
Well that's my two bobs worth
Tony
HP i7-4770 16GB 1TB SSD, Win 10 Home, Focusrite 2i2 3rd Gen, Launchkey 61, Maton CW80, Telecaster, Ovation Elite TX, Yamaha Pacifica 612 BB 2022(912) RB 2022(2), CakeWalk, Reaper 6, Audacity, Melodyne 5 Editor, Izotope Music Production Suite 4.1
PG has Peak Limit that does the same thing, just slide it into the last effects slot. Also, have you worked with Real Band? It's not as elegant as some big name DAW's but it covers all the essentials, uses all your VST's plus it opens Biab files and has a completely different way of generating the RT's. I won't go into RB here, just check out the RB forum if you haven't already.
yep Jim I got that about three weeks ago through computer music, really impressed with Home studio.
Not 100% sure if offer is still live though with all that is going on with Cakewalk.
Musiclover
Doesn't hurt for someone to +++ click on the link +++ Even if the downloadable content is no longer available Computer Music is a nice magazine. Having said that, I found out about this just a few days ago and was able to download the content.
I checked most recent link (above) and ended up at the site below. I'm guessing Jim Fogle sees something different than my experience. I'm pretty sure I was redirected more than once. Just FYI Not anything against Jim, just guessing his cookies or something gave him a different option than I got.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!
I think you are suppose to actually subscribe to the mag (or site?) to get the deal but Jim should know
But I'm not going to go through the registration process just to find out
Larry
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Hi Bob, I have only recently started to play around with RealBand, it's ok but I tend to export each track as a wav then import each track into Sonar that I have pretty much setup for the output I want with minimal work in Sonar. I guess as time goes by I'll do less in Sonar and eventually it might fade away.
The real expense was with the plugins and the ones I used most pretty much work in BIAB/RealBand.
Tony
HP i7-4770 16GB 1TB SSD, Win 10 Home, Focusrite 2i2 3rd Gen, Launchkey 61, Maton CW80, Telecaster, Ovation Elite TX, Yamaha Pacifica 612 BB 2022(912) RB 2022(2), CakeWalk, Reaper 6, Audacity, Melodyne 5 Editor, Izotope Music Production Suite 4.1
Every new DAW has the same issue; you have to learn it. It took me a while to learn ProTools, and Reaper, and .. just like it took a while for Realband.
/heh, maybe I'm just a slow learner //happily, I'm still learning
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!
Every new DAW has the same issue; you have to learn it. It took me a while to learn ProTools, and Reaper, and .. just like it took a while for Realband.
I have Pro Tools, Reaper, Samplitude and Sonar. And I mainly use Real Band. The caveat there is that IF I was a real studio, I would be using Pro Tools so bands coming to spend their money to record in my studio could bring me tracks they made at home without a lot of fancy importing. I only know 30-40 people here but most of who I know work in music as a hobby or a second income job, but none are really recording engineers as their main job. I have seen "industry standard" tossed in here a few times and I restate my doubts that any studio anywhere uses Real Band as their primary DAW.
I am a classic dabbler. Create stuff, get the mix close, and save it for a rainy year..... so it doesn't matter to me what I use. I bought Pro Tools mainly because I wanted to see it hands on, and I really do like it. Some of the logic is quite simple despite what many think.
The real difference I found with Sonar is there are a number of books out to show the ins and outs of Sonar and the various plugins. They showed not only the use but also explained the reasoning behind the methods. For example, the question arose in this forum regarding sfz files. The book on plugins had several chapters on how to create the files and what they are used for. Same for channel mixing and the uses of busses etc. How to get the best out of the tools.
It is books like this I find missing with BIAB/RealBand albeit BIAB is more self intuitive.
Tony
HP i7-4770 16GB 1TB SSD, Win 10 Home, Focusrite 2i2 3rd Gen, Launchkey 61, Maton CW80, Telecaster, Ovation Elite TX, Yamaha Pacifica 612 BB 2022(912) RB 2022(2), CakeWalk, Reaper 6, Audacity, Melodyne 5 Editor, Izotope Music Production Suite 4.1
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