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I'm glad Callie posted on this subject as I've had a concern since I saw my first VRT. Didn't want to hijack her thread.

For guitar, piano, drums, everything would, and does, seem to work out fine, ignoring the "jumpy" video which of course is completely understandable.

The "problem" that I think may raise it's ugly head, is if you were going to use this function (i.e. VRTracks) to learn a song on the pedal steel guitar.

Let me say upfront that I am not a PSGuitar player. But I've been around them (my Dad, my brother, 2 nephews, and a brother-in-law) to know that they all have their own way of getting music out of those "sit downers".

First, PSG's come with different numbers of strings. OK, I guess you could pause the video and try to count them, but I don't think the video even shows the tuning pegs so that you could count those.

Then, how is the PSG in the video tuned? C6th, E9th are common, so is it one of these? which one? There are other tunings available. Is it something different altogether?

Next, which strings are the 3 pedals connected to, and what is their function? Do they change the string by a semi-tone? etc.

Same for the knee levers.
If you talked to a dozen PSG players, you'd likely get at least a half dozen different opinions on their pedal/lever configuration.

So, all I'm saying is, I was surprised that somewhere in the documentation or instructions or instructional videos from PGMusic, that there wasn't a "rider" clause or "disclaimer" or "disclosure" saying: "here's how the PSG in all our VRT's is set up."

Or did I just miss that somewhere?
If so, please point me in the right direction.
If not, I guess I'll copy this "rant" over to the Wishlist Forum.

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For guitar, piano, drums, everything would, and does, seem to work out fine, ignoring the "jumpy" video which of course is completely understandable.

To me, the "jumpy" video is the elephant in the room. frown YMMV.


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For guitar, piano, drums, everything would, and does, seem to work out fine, ignoring the "jumpy" video which of course is completely understandable.

To me, the "jumpy" video is the elephant in the room. frown YMMV.

Yeah, the whole thing seems like an oddity/proof of concept with little practical application. Probably took a lot of effort to make but I just don't see the need.

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))) how the PSG in all our VRT's is set up. Please post me in the right direction.

I think it's great that we've raised the level of interest and detail to the questions that you've asked. Likely many people didn't realize how a pedal steel is played at all until they saw these videos. For example, it is now obvious that the left foot controls the 3 pedals affecting tuning, and the right for controls volume. And the knees control the knee levers,

He is playing a typical pedal steel, which is a standard Nashville E9 tuning, 10 strings. Classic Country music is almost always played with this setup.
The standard Nashville E9 tuning for ten string pedal steel guitar is low to high...
B-D-E-F#-G#-B-E-G#-D#-F#
Three pedals to change pitches. Four knee levers to change pitches. This is the most common Nashville pedal steel setup for country, and you can see lots of videos on how they work, for example here. https://www.howcast.com/videos/512259-how-to-use-the-knee-levers-pedal-steel-guitar/

Note that the music is also transcribed so you can see exact notation of what is being played (not tab though). You can also make a video with the pedal steel video and the notation, and it works with any chord progression in any key.


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I really like what they tried to do with them, but they could do better with the marketing.

Still you're better off trying to construct some virtual hands to show the positions, because the jumping is very distracting for normal viewing.

It's a pretty cool feature to have, so I'll probably end up using them at some point.


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Thanks Peter for the clarification, and the link.
That will greatly help any steel players wondering about your video steel "set up".

Perhaps it would be helpful to include all that in either the BIAB manual or the "Readme" file, if it isn't already there.

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Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
Originally Posted By: Lloyd S
For guitar, piano, drums, everything would, and does, seem to work out fine, ignoring the "jumpy" video which of course is completely understandable.

To me, the "jumpy" video is the elephant in the room. frown YMMV.
Hear Hear, i must say after what i've seen demo-ed it seems for me personally not very useful; i haven't even installed it. Quite a bit PG developers time used up for this marketing "elephant"? BTW i never saw an elephant jump, but a monkey might. Some monkey business obtaining more bananas to feed the elephant and the whole zoo? I can see Peter's point that it can be inspiring to watch a pedal steel player at work if you live in a place were only djembes are at hand. So we as part of the whole zoo, might benefit from the lot in the long run: more sales and a better BIAB. -F


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We'll add an option to reduce the jumpyness (btw, it happens most on atypical chord progressions).


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