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We are straying just a tiny bit from Cochran's original video. His underlying current was "Give them a lot of stuff so they don't forget your name. Keep your name in their faces as much as possible so they don't forget your name." That is what "build your brand" is all about. That concept has been the same since we were all young aspiring musicians. Overall though, isn't that kind of insecure? Should you really be concerned that people won't remember you unless you plaster the web with your name and face?

Isn't another way of not being forgotten to create something unforgettable?

I mean, I don't really care either way. I have always been a supporting player. I was always a guy in the background who played in the band but was not featured. It was not in my cards to be a star. That doesn't mean that I don't take pride in what I do. And to that end, I am in the camp where I want things polished and as close to perfect as my skills will let me get it.

I posted that song Groundhog Day about 6 weeks ago. I played lead sax on it. Had someone at the skill level of Notes done the lead sax, I am sure it would have been better. But that was MY perfect. His perfect is a different perfect. So in line with the general tone of many responses, until someone can define perfect, it's still all subjective.

To the topic of that video that started this discussion, as far as people remembering me, I have a fairly long list of people I wish WOULD forget about me!

It would be funnier, 90Db, if it weren't so true.

Yes, Cochran's video was about keeping the market saturated along with an "it'll be right, just get it out there" approach.

Incidentally, my definition of 'perfect' in this context is simply "the best that you can do".

One item that I was most concerned about was Cochran's video title: "The new rules of the music industry". He talks as though he now has the authority to makes the rules. What??!! I think he takes a liberty there. What consultation process took place? It's just one person's view, nothing more.

Perfection

It is the sound of utter silence.

Everyone has stopped playing.

All the instruments have been taken out because one was too many and no one was good enough.

So the music stopped. Everyone threw away their BIAB hard drives and gave up.

Pure pristine silence. Nothing out of key. Just pure beautiful nihilistic nothingness and a humming in the head.

Then, wait, the sound of Katy Perry coming from the arena 10 miles down the road.

...... it. Oops, I mean forget it. (Typo. Fingers slipped.)

Plugging back in.

PERFECTION.

Aaaaaaaahhh.

Ommmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Here's a specific podcast episode from Seth Godin (who knows a few things about hit books and software), that talks about the fallacy of the pursuit of creating a hit.

Hopefully the link I put here will take you to the podcast episode called 'Hitsville'.

It's highly related to the topic of discussion here, but never mentions music; instead it looks at the long tail phenomenon of all kinds of hits and how the game has changed due to the internet.

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Anybody that can convert this link to BB code, feel free!

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But that's not the market that he's talking about.

He's talking about a breed of consumer that's bored, and is always seeking something new. So first and foremost, he suggests creating brand loyalty to you, the content provider. Not as a songwriter, or as a musician, but as someone who creates something to satiate the consumer's boredom. And preferably, that content is free and updated on a regular basis, so the consumer keeps coming back.

Then, when the branded content provider has something to sell, the consumer will purchase it out of loyalty to the brand. What that thing we're monetizing is actually secondary, so it could be an album or a brand of toilet paper.

I think the definition of “not perfect” would be when you are telling yourself “it would be better if I...used a better microphone...had a better camera...could tune my vocals... went into a recording studio... had better rhymes... etc etc

For creative folk nothing can ever be "perfect". There will always be something that niggles the creator as he/she develops. The rest of the world might consider it perfect. Perfect, like most adjectives defies definition, everyone has his/her own definition.

I don't agree, but I do it anyway. I'm probably never ever going to "finish" a song, so I release them anyway.I'm not the perfection type, so I just do what I can and hope for the best.

I get his point because I got better ranking and views when I constantly posted crappy songs online, then when I slowed down I lost the #1 spot and ended up near the 20th position.

Not every song can be a hit, but if another musician hears my tune and comes up with an idea, then my job is complete.

Hi Joanne, I don't think that is the definition of "not perfect". I think that is the definition of "misconception". I know, been there done that

For me, that defines "delusional". Tune my vocals, go to a studio, buy better stuff.... when music is just a retirement hobby now? It would be delusional for me to even consider that at approaching 67 NOW is the time someone is going to discover me. But that lends itself to my general outlook on this thread. The people in Cochran's primary target audience are young and still have the gleam in their eye that they will be the next Beatles. I'm just an old guy who is thankful to be on the green side of the sod.

There's some really good points in this thread. I simultaneously agree and disagree with the original video posted. I do think you should strive to release music with high quality, but quantity of releases - ESPECIALLY early in a career - can be crucial.

The way I look at it - if you release a lot of content early on, you are going to catch attention. If you release say 15 songs in a 2 month span and enough people hear it, it's almost guaranteed that each song will appeal to someone. It's just a matter of having it reach out to enough people. Whereas if you release one song every 2 months because you need it to be absolutely perfect, it might not garner enough attention.

Just some food for thought

I would like to run a scientific experiment where we put everyone with a really bleak, negative outlook ("Just give up now and throw your band in a box away, you're too old and fat and everyone hates you") on massive doses of anti-depressants and then see after a two month period if they suddenly think they have just miraculously written 25 wonderful and extraordinary songs that the world just has to hear now--no matter what.

If PG music will underwrite this groundbreaking study, I will do a t-test on the back of a cocktail napkin in 3 minutes and I'm gonna bet the farm on brighter future outlook for songwriting and a massive sign up on SongTradr of, hmmm, I'll say 30,000 to be conservative, in a two hour period.

You have any, Dr. Dave? I've been working on the placebo effects of Tic Tacs for years now.....

(You are going to like the new song I have in progress... One of those happy surprises that go from passing thought to song in a day. This is the one that I was laying in bed dictating the lyrics for into my cell phone this morning.)

Eddie!!

I want credit for that study!!

Ha ha ha ha ha!!

BTW, my wife likes to tell people at dinner parties that I am an "Auto Tic Tac."

It somehow came out of a conversation about being an autodidact. Don't ask me how.

But now I know you are the only person in the world who gets me Eddie. The only one.

That's ok. One is better than none.

Can't wait to hear the new song. Sounds like a case of Tic Tacs was consumed there buddy.

This here might be about as close to perfect as we'll see in this life:
https://youtu.be/XafcAAPhuU0
A lot of busking, determination. Now we hear Willie has moved on to other things.