Originally Posted By: JoanneCooper
Originally Posted By: floyd jane
That type music is all loops. Done in a Loop-based DAW.

If that is the type music you want to do, buy FL Studio. Or at least, Acid Pro. And a bunch of hip-hop loops. And... don't forget you need to be able to WRITE that type music.

Expecting BIAB to do that is like trying to hammer a nail with a SAW.

It's the wrong tool.

Why keep insisting it should change to cover that?

It is a miracle that BIAB does what it does. No need to dilute that with functionality that is addressed SPECIFICALLY by other tools.





Why not start another thread.
Give an example of a song that you are considering.
Put out a challenge to see if anyone can duplicate that sound with BIAB.
Or have a discussion about why it can't.
And if it even SHOULD.



Or post an example of something you've done in an attempt to "get there"...
Then we can all discuss what might help you, or what you are missing...


Thanks for this Floyd. I have watched a video today on Ableton live which is looped based and now, thanks to you I know what “acidizing” your tracks is... so that the looped based DAW knows what key your sample track is in and how many bpms. It can then “warp” your track to suit the tempo and key of your project. What I don’t understand is whether these types of songs have any chord progression at all or do they all just work around the root? Info is appreciated.


It depends on the type music you are doing. Some rap has no more than beats. But many also have at least a bass track - and, therefore, COULD be considered to be using chords. They often have other synth lines happening, too (following some chord pattern).

Modern Pop music is more "music loops" based. A repetitive note patern or chord pattern - pasted over and over...

Watch the video that Bob (90dB) posted in the recording forum...
http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=462666#Post462666

Pay attention to how he plays a quick pattern and then pastes it a number of times to create the verse. Then something else to create the chorus - but that can be the same thing. He does the same thing will vocal loops.

A "loop" can be many different things. I've used short guitar chord loops to create "a bit different sound" (listen to my song "Grow Up" and you will hear a repeating guitar pattern to start... those are loops - pasted over and over...)

I tried Ableton once. I found it to be the most UNITUITIVE DAW I had ever tried. I've use Sony Acid Pro (it was my DAW before I switched to Studio One) - it is VERY intuitive - MUCH easier I think.

I had a demo of FL Studio a long time ago. I think it would be a good one, too.....

You should be able to learn to make "beats" in almost any DAW - as long as it has a MIDI grid... That is where you need to start. If you cannot make interesting BEATS, you'll likely have a hard time making "modern" music...

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