Originally Posted By: floyd jane
That type music is all loops. Done in a Loop-based DAW.

If that is the type music you want to do, buy FL Studio. Or at least, Acid Pro. And a bunch of hip-hop loops. And... don't forget you need to be able to WRITE that type music.

Expecting BIAB to do that is like trying to hammer a nail with a SAW.

It's the wrong tool.

Why keep insisting it should change to cover that?

It is a miracle that BIAB does what it does. No need to dilute that with functionality that is addressed SPECIFICALLY by other tools.





Why not start another thread.
Give an example of a song that you are considering.
Put out a challenge to see if anyone can duplicate that sound with BIAB.
Or have a discussion about why it can't.
And if it even SHOULD.



Or post an example of something you've done in an attempt to "get there"...
Then we can all discuss what might help you, or what you are missing...


Theoretically, Floyd is correct. However, Biab is not a theory and I've found a way to create an original 'in the style of current hits' of nearly any of today's biggest hits using Biab. There are two additional components to commercially finish your song after creating it in Biab. They require the song to be partially being completed in a DAW for best results. Special effects on tracks such as echo, delay, doubling are best done in a DAW. Secondly, A vocalist should be an individual versed in the style for best results and the most current vocabulary.....

Today's music relies heavily on samples and loops. Samples come from everywhere including from current commercial hits on CD's. Samples are compiled into loops and are unrecognizable to the works they're taken from One loop can be comprised from 4-5 songs and are pitch-shifted and time stretched to mesh with songs so disparate, not being from the same genre, not in the same key or tempo. From this merged audio, the song's key, tempo, beat , chords and melody are determined.

Additional sounds, melodies, effects ebb and build throughout the song and vocals are layered over the music. Sometimes vocal effects add to the beats, riffs and phrases of the song.

Biab is conducive to working with loops and is a great place to gather samples. There are hundreds if not thousands of hours of pristine audio to sample with nearly any instrument western civilization uses. However, Biab offers tools that allow one a quicker, less laborious method to create a 'Today's Sound' song.

The answer occurred to me this morning and I went on YouTube and a quick search found some videos that proved my theory to be correct. (at least to me)

I'm going to first link to a YouTube video showing a current song made with a Keyboard Workstation style and then show how I did the same thing by creating my style using Biab. Here's the deal step by step.

Today's pop, hip hop, RnB, House music and more is for the most part programmed music. I recently purchased a Yamaha PSR s670 Workstation/Arranger Keyboard. I've been on Youtube watching tutorials relearning and refreshing my programming skills and familiarizing myself with the new keyboard. I've heard a lot of modern music.

Below, in one video, the artist, created a style, added it to her library and used it to record cover an older song that's been remixed and released this year, by Arkadiy Gabana & Alex Dolce.

Used a style to compose a cover. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

Here's the links to both songs.

Cheri Cheri Lady 2018 Release

"Cheri Cheri Lady" Modern Cover using a PSR style

This led to my theory that I should be able to choose a current hit song, download a quality midi file and use that midi file and Biab sounds to replace the bad sounding GM sounds to create a quality sounding cover of the hit song. This worked.

So, from this current song that I generated in Biab using the best sounds I have available, I converted that current hit song into a Midi Style using the Biab Style Wizard.

BIAB Style Wizard Video

That worked too.


Next, I imported another midi file with a chord progression I liked.
I stripped the melody from the midi file and made some changes to the chord progression, added some midi riffs from another midi file and a RealTrack.

I selected my new midi Song Style I created in Biab Style Wizard and updated the GM sounds with better sounds I have available and generated my original song chord chart. It worked except when I render it, I lose all of the F5 Bar setting changes I made of mutes/ Back to normals, and gain changes.

So, I exported the individual files to Studio One 3.5 Pro DAW and will arrange and render the song from there.

Bottom line, this method works for covers or originals and by using quality midi files,the results are quite acceptable and the Midi file does all of the complex development and the project can be done in Biab.





Last edited by Charlie Fogle; 04/28/18 10:13 AM.
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