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This topic harkens back to my first reading of HTL's comments. I find them to be very offensive. My solution was to ignore him.
I agree with Eddie's evaluation. He is a troll intent on making waves. I made an uneasy peace with him and decided to just ignore him. In the 6 years I have been here folks like HearToLearn have contributed to improving this forum by helping it grow into one where critical conversation is possible while being a less of a fan forum. Now we can discuss both the amazing features as well as the warts without being shut down! This is a forum for a commercial product that we all pay actual money to use. It is good for the forum and good for the product to have critical conversations!
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This topic harkens back to my first reading of HTL's comments. I find them to be very offensive. My solution was to ignore him. Just how much of a music background do you have exactly, "Hear" To Learn? (Was that a music pun or do you truly not know "hear" from "here"?) I looked back 6 weeks in the forum and you have apparently never posted a song. Some of your comments seem deliberately outlandish and provocative and appear to be there just to stir up controversy. That makes me wonder if you are involved with music at all or just an internet troll looking to poke the bears. Please do respond to that so we know to whom we are speaking. If you are truly "hear" to learn, you don't appear to be learning as much as arguing with people. I agree with Eddie's evaluation. He is a troll intent on making waves. I made an uneasy peace with him and decided to just ignore him. Don & Eddie, I don't agree with your assessment and find the statements to be out-of-character for this forum. How can there be interesting discussions or great learning experiences if everyone is in agreement or controversial topics can not be discussed?
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This topic harkens back to my first reading of HTL's comments. I find them to be very offensive. My solution was to ignore him. How very in to be "offended." My comments weren't directed at you, and yet you took offense and decided to personally attack me. Don, I have read many posts from you over the years and feel I know you to be a good person. Because of this, I'm going to leave it at that. I agree with Eddie's evaluation. He is a troll intent on making waves. I made an uneasy peace with him and decided to just ignore him. Fair enough. Your assumptions say more about you than me. Originally Posted By: HearToLearn
Don, I didn't want this to get bumped down on the forum list. If you have any additional information (email address) please post it.
If not, or you need me to call, I would gladly do that.
I never turn my back on a friend. Count me in. HTL, Yes, please phone the DA's Office, request the email address, then post it here. Remember to keep email messages short and to the point. The key issue is to move my Elder Abuse case along the pipeline to the courtroom. Thanks again to all who stepped up to the plate. Don Originally Posted By: HearToLearn
The pain has ended for her. Focus on that and the lovely memories from such a wonderful person being in your life. She will live on in the hearts and minds of those who's live's she touched.
Sorry for your loss. Thanks HTL, Helen's dual careers certainly touched countless hearts, first as a nurse then as a elementary school teacher. _________________________ Donny
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I really don't like that this is another derailed topic. I REALLY appreciate the votes of confidence from those of you who are willing to stand up and say so. Seriously, thanks! Steve, you are right that I did participate in the Paradox of You fun. Not only that, I was actually the one that came up with the idea to do it and started the whole concept. JC was nice enough to supply the lyrics, of course...which was hugely instrumental...er...lyrical.  Either way, I loved how the forum came together for that. I don't think there was a single negative post in that thread or everyone's take on the song. I'm proud to have been a part of it. Now, here's my take on this. Eddie and Don are TOTALLY fine in what they said. I can't say what I said and not have them be able to say what they said. It's the way things have to work if we are going to keep things open. I'm not hurt, said, mad, leaving...nothing like that. It is what it is. I give Eddie big time props for "bumping" a few threads after his post on bumping. Seriously, that's pretty big of him. He could have totally gone a different route with it. So, it's all good by me. Hey Steve, see how it works? Now we reset and play again! What was this topic about again? I forgot.
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This topic harkens back to my first reading of HTL's comments. I find them to be very offensive. My solution was to ignore him. Just how much of a music background do you have exactly, "Hear" To Learn? (Was that a music pun or do you truly not know "hear" from "here"?) I looked back 6 weeks in the forum and you have apparently never posted a song. Some of your comments seem deliberately outlandish and provocative and appear to be there just to stir up controversy. That makes me wonder if you are involved with music at all or just an internet troll looking to poke the bears. Please do respond to that so we know to whom we are speaking. If you are truly "hear" to learn, you don't appear to be learning as much as arguing with people. Jim, If this has put us ( you and I ) at odds then the damage has already been accomplished. I hesitated to get involved because I saw no winners, just destruction. I'll just exit stage left. I agree with Eddie's evaluation. He is a troll intent on making waves. I made an uneasy peace with him and decided to just ignore him. Don & Eddie, I don't agree with your assessment and find the statements to be out-of-character for this forum. How can there be interesting discussions or great learning experiences if everyone is in agreement or controversial topics can not be discussed?
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Your comment about being "the culture" is the problem for me. I don't want to be black. I am not going to live in that "culture". I am fine with being white in my culture, free of sexual abuse of women, drugs as a daily way of life.... Racist much? You think sexual abuse and drugs are a black problem? Use of weed is about the same in white and black populations while use of heroin is more prevalent in whites! And just because whites don't sing about sexual abuse doesn't mean it isn't just as common in their communities.
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Imagine
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It's easy if you try
No race or color
Don't ask me why
Imagine every person
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You may say
That I'm a dremer
But I'm
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Imagine
There's no age group
It's easy if you try
No race or color
Don't ask me why
Imagine every person
Sharing all the chords
You may say
That I'm a dremer
But I'm
Not the only one
Perhaps one day you will join us
And bring peace
To the forum ^^^^^^^ THIS
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Regarding Biab being able to 'cover' modern music: Cheri Cheri Lady Arkaddiy Gabana and alex Dulce (Remix) 2018 Does this qualify as modern music? Cheri Cheri Lady by Lady Yamaha 2018 cover Does this qualify as a modern music cover that is authentic 'modern music'? I was able to create a near exact cover to match Lady Yamaha's cover using Biab and a stock Biab style in less than 10 minutes. So, can modern music be created in Biab? What is the baseline for accuracy? I've found the instrumentation of modern music easy to replicate but not the vocals. I think most here would also fail in creating a radio ready, chart topping composition not because Biab can't produce the music but that Biab can't provide strong, young vocalists capable of authentically singing over the Biab music foundation. The only one I've seen on the forum that could maybe come close is Tater Tot.....
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I've only made it through the first two pages of this thread but it reminds me a lot of a forum thread we had late last year. It was basically about whether or not BIAB could create modern sounding music in which my response was... "Hold my beer. I got this." lol That turned into this song... https://soundcloud.com/user-742389722/lonely-nightPerhaps an even better example would be this collaboration I did in February for FAWM... https://soundcloud.com/user-742389722/braking-downSo obviously modern country is more than possible with BIAB. I also don't think it would be too much of a stretch to use BIAB for modern pop music. Now some genres such as rap and techno/dance may be a little more difficult but there are already other programs that people use to create that kind of music. There really is no need for BIAB to compete in that market.
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So here's the thing, if I try to help and state what's missing to make this a current sounding country song; I'm a troll, right? --OR-- I say nothing and the people who don't listen to this style of music anyway will tell you how this is an example of modern country. For the record, I REALLY like this song. The melody and feel is FANTASTIC. With a few tweaks this could be the song you already think it is. But it's not there yet, in my opinion. The problem I frequently run into on these posts that gets me in trouble is; I don't feel you are looking for help. You are looking for pats on the back for what you have accomplished. I mean, I don't think at any point in this thread or the original post of the song, you asked what could you do to make it better...because you weren't looking to do that. It's a great song, no doubt about it. I know I even commented that when you first posted it. That chorus REALLY gets stuck in my head. Love it! Anyway, I tend to want to help if I can. Now, I see now that my advice is actually un-asked for criticism. I didn't see that as being a troll; but can see where it would be taken that way. You aren't asking, so why I am saying anything. Rock on. Great song, strongly written. --Side Question-- I know you mentioned you had a whole Album coming out. Did I miss it? I would love to hear it. I really like what I've heard so for from you.
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Regarding Biab being able to 'cover' modern music: Cheri Cheri Lady Arkaddiy Gabana and alex Dulce (Remix) 2018 Does this qualify as modern music? Cheri Cheri Lady by Lady Yamaha 2018 cover Does this qualify as a modern music cover that is authentic 'modern music'? I was able to create a near exact cover to match Lady Yamaha's cover using Biab and a stock Biab style in less than 10 minutes. So, can modern music be created in Biab? What is the baseline for accuracy? I've found the instrumentation of modern music easy to replicate but not the vocals. I think most here would also fail in creating a radio ready, chart topping composition not because Biab can't produce the music but that Biab can't provide strong, young vocalists capable of authentically singing over the Biab music foundation. The only one I've seen on the forum that could maybe come close is Tater Tot..... Totally agree. There are a few other things as well, but you nailed some major issues, in my opinion.
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So here's the thing, if I try to help and state what's missing to make this a current sounding country song; I'm a troll, right? --OR-- I say nothing and the people who don't listen to this style of music anyway will tell you how this is an example of modern country. For the record, I REALLY like this song. The melody and feel is FANTASTIC. With a few tweaks this could be the song you already think it is. But it's not there yet, in my opinion. The problem I frequently run into on these posts that gets me in trouble is; I don't feel you are looking for help. You are looking for pats on the back for what you have accomplished. I mean, I don't think at any point in this thread or the original post of the song, you asked what could you do to make it better...because you weren't looking to do that. It's a great song, no doubt about it. I know I even commented that when you first posted it. That chorus REALLY gets stuck in my head. Love it! Anyway, I tend to want to help if I can. Now, I see now that my advice is actually un-asked for criticism. I didn't see that as being a troll; but can see where it would be taken that way. You aren't asking, so why I am saying anything. Rock on. Great song, strongly written. --Side Question-- I know you mentioned you had a whole Album coming out. Did I miss it? I would love to hear it. I really like what I've heard so for from you. Not looking for any kind of pat on the back but wondering why we are having this conversation yet again. It's already been shown that making modern music is possible using BIAB but if you have advice go ahead and share. That song is not done by any means. I actually want to rework it for a possible album. Then it will probably be even more current sounding. As I stated in my post the other song is actually a better example of modern country. I would be more interested in your opinion of that one. I did put an outlaw country album out last December. It's called Scars Of The heart and can be found at https://open.spotify.com/album/23R6ULT2T5KARuT4d6RRRW?si=KODjDcp-R_SDfzRxDCFybQ or on any other of the major music sites.
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Tater Totts here,
HTL here is your problem man. You are sweetly playing God and asking us to accept it as best intentions.
As an NSAI coordinator I feel Samuel IS doing modern country or his version of it.
Unless you are a famous producer you have no credentials whatsoever to tell a posting artist what modern country is or is not, in categorical Godlike terms. It is not a case of being a troll dude it is a case of being remarkably presumptuous.
Until you post 100 masterpieces and take off your mask, why would any real artist take you seriously?
Why???
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Well said David. I am hoping HTL will take up my Hot 100 Challenge that I posted in the songwriting forum. I will be working up at least a song or two for it by the end of the week.
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Love's me Tater Totts! HTL here is your problem man. You are sweetly playing God and asking us to accept it as best intentions. Oh man, NOT my intention by a LONG shot. Sorry if it comes across that way AT ALL. Seriously trying to help. I promise you that. Has it comes across that way, apparently not. Point taken. As an NSAI coordinator I feel Samuel IS doing modern country or his version of it. Ok. Unless you are a famous producer you have no credentials whatsoever to tell a posting artist what modern country is or is not, in categorical Godlike terms. It is not a case of being a troll dude it is a case of being remarkably presumptuous. Got it. Not my intent. But that ship has sailed, lol. I hope to God almighty that my comments didn't come across as I don't like the music. The man can write NO DOUBT AT ALL. This is going to be an exaggeration to give my perspective...If I come in the forums and post a free form jazz piece say "cool new Rock song"...is it a rock song? I'm finding the answer would be yes. Because who is anyone else to say otherwise, correct? And know I'm NOT being at all sarcastic PLEASE. If it's rock to me, then that's what it is. I hope I'm correct on that. If not, I'm all ears. Until you post 100 masterpieces and take off your mask, why would any real artist take you seriously?
Why??? I don't think you have to have that body of work to know the basics. If a kindergartner learns what the color red is, he doesn't need to be Van Gogh to look at a painting and know the color red when they see it. I guess I just hear things in current songs that would make in more of a modern country if applied here...but that's my take. I am NOT the be and end all by any means. Apparently I have come across that way. Honestly, that sucks. My apologies to everyone that feels that way. Thanks for the perspective David. I think I got your points. If I missed, feel free to let me know. The funny thing is, this is thrown in my face a fair amount about my name. It's too bad people don't understand how much I LEARN from conversations like this. My challenge would be to those who also participate. Did you learn anything, or "stick to your guns." Food for thought. Don't starve. -Not God By A Long Shot
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For someone to think they know music because "I listen a lot" is like saying you could drive in a NASCAR race because you watch a lot of races. Everybody on the planet listens to music. There is no talent involved in having a radio in your car. Playing, singing, writing... that is a skill set that not everybody has, and there are tiers of skill for those who do. AND part of that skill set erodes with age. I can barely play guitar anymore because the arthritis in my ring and FU finger on my left hand won't curl around the neck without a half dozen Aleve, and even then I have no speed anymore. The thing is, I didn't have to give back the knowledge when my physical skills eroded. So for me, and I know of several on here with varying levels of physical malady, a writing tool like BIAB is the only way we can still do this. Musical preference has a lot to do with where you were born and raised, too. 20 somethings from the inner cities were fed hip hop from birth. Older Southerners grew up on Hank Williams. There is no "right" music, and there is no "current" music. Current to me means Motown. That's what was current during my "current" years. I got to see James Brown, Wilson Pickett, The Temps, The Tops, The Supremes... all of them.
Think about kids who were raised in Italy. You think there was a lot of Chinese food served in their homes by Italian mamas? They learned that food was pasta, meatballs, etc. In their later years, they may accept that there are other cuisines, but they will always go back to what they know. Macaroni and meatballs!!!
So the argument about what is "better" is so truly subjective it is never going to be resolved.
I mean you are talking to a die hard fan of a football team that was 1-31 over the last 2 seasons. They are my team, and will always be. My RV life plans are being made based upon where I can find a Browns Backers club so I don't miss any games. Make that analogy to the music you know best and like most.
On topic, software users are ALWAYS going to stay with what they know. ALWAYS. I think Pro Tools is IT. But nobody is required to agree. Nobody. Stay with Sonar, Reaper, Logic, Cubase, Samplitude, Ableton, whatever your little heart desires.
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Before anyone comes after me let me say this:
I have no problem with opinions.
It is categorical, know it all, Godlike proclamations I abhor. Especially anonymous ones.
Just to be clear.
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Genres such as rap and techno/dance are possibly musically and instrumentally with BIAB. It's the lyrics and vocal performance we seem to fall short of.....
In all honesty, if I were to write a song in rap/techno/dance/hip hop/house/pop, I would find a collaborator of the genre to co-produce. Same with Southern Gospel.
I have had the opportunity in the past to mix some stems by a really good and proficient producer in a genre I'm not proficient in. My question was "what does he want from me?". The quality of the source recording didn't need mixing to my ears.
This leads me to the thought we seem to be missing while BIAB may not give us the complete package for modern music, what's missing is beyond what BIAB is;
1. intended to provide and
2. beyond the scope of features offered by BIAB.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that were I to work for a rap,techno, dance,hip hop,house or pop producer providing tracks of instruments and percussions for a song, any said producer could use Biab generated tracks and instruments and produce a quality and genre specific song. To boot, there are thousands of hours of pristine recorded instruments that can be generated over any chord progression, in any key and at any tempo that are prime sampling and loop audio.
That the current active forum contributors can't do it does not mean that it cannot be done.
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Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: AI Stems & Notes - split polyphonic audio into instruments and transcribe
This video demonstrates how to use the new AI-Notes feature together with the AI-Stems splitter, allowing you to select an audio file and have it separated into individual stems while transcribing each one to its own MIDI track. AI-Notes converts polyphonic audio—either full mixes or individual instruments—into MIDI that you can view in notation or play back instantly.
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Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®
With your version 2026 for Windows Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- Android Band-in-a-Box® App (included)
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
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