Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread
Print Thread
Go To
#473552 05/19/18 06:11 AM
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,665
Veteran
OP Online Content
Veteran
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,665
I have the Waves LA-2A which is supposed to be a legend for vox. I always get noise with it in the quiet parts of my vocal track. I don't crank it, I use a preset and tweak a little. Noise issue aside, I don't hear the magic, either. I also have Waves Gold which includes the Neve 1073 and experience the same thing with it. I've auditioned a Fairchild 670, same thing. Renaissance vox is okay noise wise, but a very processed sound. I do blues and other roots music, so I don't want a processed sound, but that's what I always get if anything. I'm never happy with the reverb, either (Waves Renaissance), I use it sparingly, you can't tell it's there unless you A-B. Ambience free reverb has worked a little better, but it's still ho-hum.

Maybe my problem lies elsewhere. Maybe my recording isn't good and I don't realize it. My singing isn't that good, but sometimes I get lucky and it is (I think) passable. Any help appreciated.


Windows 11, Intel Core I5 10400, 16 gig ram, Scarlett 2i2, Sony Acid Music Studio 10, BIAB 2020 UltraPlus Pak
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 8,354
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 8,354
The Devil is in the Details Beelzebob.

But seriously, that doesn't sound right. Plugins such as that should not create the kind of noise you are speaking of.

It sounds more like the original recording is noisy. If you add effects to a noisy recording it will sound horrible. I would start with a good solid audio interface, a good condenser mic, mic shielding of some sort, etc. to get a good clear, pristine recording. That is where you need to start.

Some of the best tools I have seen are free. I would google Variety of Sound and download their entire kit. Some cool stuff in there. (Right click on image to get a better view in a different window.)

I have attached a screenshot showing three of their freebies in the full kit that go well with vocals.

Or you can spend $1,000.

There is a lot to be said for free.

Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in)
Variety of Sound.jpg (135.2 KB, 160 downloads)
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,827
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 10,827
BeelzeBob,

Perhaps you can post a sample isolated vocal clip of 15 - 30 seconds as an example for other users to hear. If you use an example vocal taken from a song you have published online some of the forum users can compare the isolated vocal against how the vocal sounds in the finished song. Then those with good production skills can offer advice concerning recording technique, editing, use of effects or mixing that can help you get closer to achieving your goal.

I'm sure if you wish you could reach out by private message to users you feel comfortable with.


Jim Fogle - 2025 BiaB (Build 1128) RB (Build 5) - Ultra+ PAK
DAWs: Cakewalk Sonar - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8
Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD
Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD
Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
R
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
R
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
I'll add to the above that good vocal recordings start with the space you are recording in.

Then you have a mic choice. My mic 'locker' consists of the following:

ElectroVoice PL80 (over time, it is becoming my fave of all my mics. It's a dynamic mic with very little off-axis sensitivity)

ElectroVoice PL84 - I bought this for $25 on Craigslist, New Old Stock from a guy. Looks brand new. Nearly same size as the PL80, but it's a condenser, and you know what - quite noisy. Not in it's off-axis pickup, it just has lots of hiss compared to the PL80. I regret buying it as I will probably never record with it.

ElectroVoice (yes I'm partial to EV!) SRO-RE11 (this is probably from the late 60's/early 70's) My first church had a grip of these mics and they gave them away to us sound engineers when they replaced them all with Shure SM58s. This mic can give a vintage thin kind of sound without any EQ.

Samson something or other USB/XLR mic. Sounds pretty much like an SM 58. I use it now and then, but the PL80 knocks it out of the part most of the time.

PreSonus M7 Large Diaphragm Condenser - got it for $15, with a 15' XLR cable. I figured I was buying a 15' XLR cable for $15 and got a free backup mic. Never have used it.

CAD M177 Large Diaphragm Condenser - I've made most of my vocal recordings with this mic. Doesn't have great off-axis rejection, so I have to record in my make-shift vocal booth with this one. Has a high pass filter switch on it which is always engaged when I record pretty much anything with it - vocals no exception.

Once you have your mic of choice (I wouldn't necessarily advise seeking out any of the above - they aren't necessarily popular and easy to find microphones - just what I've come across over the years), then try to get a decent pre-amp, either built-in to your audio interface or an external mic preamp. A good mic pre-amp can make a crap mic sound decent, but a noisy pre-amp will make every mic through it sound like crap.

Here's some other tips that are hard to go wrong with besides having a pretty dead space to record in:
1. Use a pop filter. Always. Or a big old foam ball/cylinder designed for use with your mic.

2. Don't record anything with your mic positioned in front of your computer screen - you will comb-filter the living daylights out of your recordings. The computer screen is too close of a pure reflecting surface and will put a time delayed reflection back at your mic that is nearly as strong as the direct signal, which will result a flaky sounding recording that you cannot fix. There's no fix for comb filtered recordings.

3. Use a high pass filter on the mic if it has one, and even if it does, always, always, always add a high pass filter in your DAW at the very front of the processing signal chain, and vary the corner frequency upward from about 50 Hz until the recording starts to sound thin to your ear. Leave the high pass filter corner frequency there. In fact, you should do this on nearly every mic recording you make whether it's vocals or something else - with the rare exception being kick drum, floor tom and mic recordings of bass guitar amp cabinets. Seriously, this practice will take mixes to the next level of professional sounding mix over home-studio mix faster than any other, if you are minding the store on the above. At least it did for me.

4. Use reverb in your headphone monitor while you record vocals. Helps most people that tend to sing slightly flat to pull their pitch up a little. If that's not enough, use a synth or organ line playing the melody to help you track vocals on pitch) You can throw that melody line away in your mix, because you probably don't want it in the final mix - it's just an aid to help sing on pitch.

5. Resist the urge to use chorus or artificial harmonies on your vocals until you've checked off everything above.





Last edited by rockstar_not; 05/19/18 06:03 PM.
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,665
Veteran
OP Online Content
Veteran
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,665
Thanks, everyone, I don't get on here often, but whenever I do, I always get great help.

Jim, I will post some audio and have it up by Monday night. Thanks!

RSN, wow, what a great post! I didn't know about the computer screen thing, but I just got a much bigger monitor and that could be a problem. I sort of knew about cutting out bass, but I completely forgot about it. As to mics, all I have is a Studio Projects B-1 and an sm57 clone. My room is untreated. I have rigged up comforters in the past, but I didn't do that on this most recent attempt at recording.

I switched long ago from a mixer and m2496 sound card to a scarlett 6i6 on the advice of users here. I've used Acid as a DAW for 12 years and can't seem to learn a newer and better DAW. But one thing is that Acid will only run in 24 bit with the Scarlett. 16 bit gives me very bad hum when recording. It seems to be fine in 24 bit, but that has always made me wonder about Acid and the Scarlett together. When I post the audio sample, I will do some recording in Reaper as well. I don't know Reaper well, but I can make a simple recording for test purposes.

Again, thanks everyone!


Windows 11, Intel Core I5 10400, 16 gig ram, Scarlett 2i2, Sony Acid Music Studio 10, BIAB 2020 UltraPlus Pak
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
R
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
R
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
Originally Posted By: BeelzeBob


I switched long ago from a mixer and m2496 sound card to a scarlett 6i6 on the advice of users here. I've used Acid as a DAW for 12 years and can't seem to learn a newer and better DAW. But one thing is that Acid will only run in 24 bit with the Scarlett. 16 bit gives me very bad hum when recording. It seems to be fine in 24 bit, but that has always made me wonder about Acid and the Scarlett together. When I post the audio sample, I will do some recording in Reaper as well. I don't know Reaper well, but I can make a simple recording for test purposes.

Again, thanks everyone!


The studio Projects B1 is a very nice mic. The preamps on the 6i6 should be up to the task. There should be no electrical hum difference recording 16 vs 24 bit. Hum must be something else. Cakewalk and Tracktion 6 are completely free DAW software that migh be easier for you than Reaper.

If you’ve been recording in front of the computer screen with the B1, that’s almost a guarantee for a crap sounding recording. No reflective surfaces within several feet of the mic. Period. Otherwise, particularly with most condenser mics like the B1, you will get comb filtering on the recording.

Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,588
L
Expert
Offline
Expert
L
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,588
Wow Rockstar_not. What a great post. I had no idea about the computer screen. My dog house sized room has my tube valve amp a foot from my screen. Time to make some serious changes. I need to do my vocals in a studio and accept that it's not possible in my dog house sized life in Hong Kong. Not to mention the TV, dogs, family and fridge....

Last edited by lambada; 05/20/18 05:11 PM.

Windows 10 Home 20H2 Build 19042.487
BIAB 2021 (Build 818)
Intel(R) Core(TM), i3-4160, CPU @3.60 GHz RAM 16 GB, 64 Bit X64-based processor
Zoom UAC-2 (USB 3 interface-built in midi)
VoiceLive 3 Extreme, Sputnik Valve Condenser Mic
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,480
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,480
Plug ins..... less is often more. Especially with vocals.

However, you make an interesting point about the "noise" in the vocal track. Some of the so called "vocal warmers" accomplish their job by ADDING noise and distortion to the track at very low levels. If you're hearing distortion or noise, shut everything off and add it back one thing at a time.... by itself to see what the source of the noise is. Once you find it, you'll know better how to proceed. But.... if the noise is being generated as a warmer to the vocals, you may want to leave it alone and simply edit the vocal track with either a volume envelope or edit to mute between the vocal phrasing like you might do to eliminate vocal breath and tongue clicks & lip smacks and such things.

BTW.... yeah, I bought a really nice condenser mic, and got some top dollar plug ins to use to make things sound better..... but all it did was clarify what was there to start, so I'm waiting anxiously for the release of the Ozone TALENT plug in to solve the issues I still have.

Last edited by Guitarhacker; 05/21/18 03:38 AM.

You can find my music at:
www.herbhartley.com
Add nothing that adds nothing to the music.
You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.

The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
R
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
R
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
Originally Posted By: lambada
Wow Rockstar_not. What a great post. I had no idea about the computer screen. My dog house sized room has my tube valve amp a foot from my screen. Time to make some serious changes. I need to do my vocals in a studio and accept that it's not possible in my dog house sized life in Hong Kong. Not to mention the TV, dogs, family and fridge....


If your mic is 1’ away from your computer screen that is a recipe for comb filtering and no processing can un-comb filter a signal. What size is your room? My recording space and mic space is about 11’ x 12’. I’m lucky to have ways to manage reflections in that room including a closet door I can open with lots of coats and blankets and comforters in the closet.

I will try to make some audio demos of recordings in front of the computer screen vs in front of my closet opened up.

Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,665
Veteran
OP Online Content
Veteran
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,665
Okay, here's the audio via youtube. The same vocal clip dry, with LA2A, then LA2A and IK EQ bass cut, then LA2A, IK EQ and reverb. If you just want to get to the noise, just listen to the endings of the last two runs of the clip. I used the 150 bass cut on the mic as well. Thanks all for help!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlFnIcmPEBk&feature=youtu.be

Last edited by BeelzeBob; 05/21/18 01:50 PM.

Windows 11, Intel Core I5 10400, 16 gig ram, Scarlett 2i2, Sony Acid Music Studio 10, BIAB 2020 UltraPlus Pak
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,480
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,480
Originally Posted By: BeelzeBob
Okay, here's the audio via youtube. The same vocal clip dry, with LA2A, then LA2A and IK EQ bass cut, then LA2A, IK EQ and reverb. If you just want to get to the noise, just listen to the endings of the last two runs of the clip.


Listening on my computer speakers the noise was pretty low level. Like I said above, when you put instruments into the mix that will be buried well below the threshold of the listener being able to hear it.

HOWEVER, it is there and therefore is cumulative to the entire final mix levels.... so, to get a "cleaner" vocal mix, use the volume riding envelope or in a DAW selectively AUDIO/EDIT/MUTE the empty space and it's gone. It takes about 5 minutes or less to edit a track in this manner.

In most cases, I use this on the majority of my vocal tracks and guitar tracks to get rid of the noise and the amp hiss or hum from the gain level I use on the distorted guitar parts. It's simply a part of cleaning up the tracks.


You can find my music at:
www.herbhartley.com
Add nothing that adds nothing to the music.
You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.

The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
R
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
R
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
I listened with some pretty nice in ear monitors and I honestly heard no difference in any of the segments. Are you sure you exported with effects applied?

I do hear some room reflections in the recording. I would work on eliminating that before messing about with plugins

Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,665
Veteran
OP Online Content
Veteran
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,665
Thanks again, Herb and Scott. I should've mentioned that I put a comforter over my head to do the recording. It went almost to the floor, and I had about the same space inside that one of those portable booths gives you (VOMO or Isovox 2). It's interesting that you didn't hear a lot of difference in the takes, Randy. I often ask myself if plugins are doing very much at all.

Scott, I forgot to use a high pass filter. You talked about corners, do you mean the left and right sides of the frequency graph? I did lower bass with an EQ until it thinned, as you suggested. But I didn't do anything to the high frequencies.


My biggest gripe with all my recordings (besides the actual singing) is that they seem metallic, almost electronic. Of course, that Ozone TALENT plugin would solve everything! Or Ozone Jawbone, which would emulate how we hear ourselves singing.


Windows 11, Intel Core I5 10400, 16 gig ram, Scarlett 2i2, Sony Acid Music Studio 10, BIAB 2020 UltraPlus Pak
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
R
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
R
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
There is just not much perceived change to the segments to my ears. I do hear reflections from the room, but nothing between the different segments.

Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,480
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,480
Originally Posted By: BeelzeBob
Thanks again, Herb and Scott. I should've mentioned that I put a comforter over my head to do the recording. It went almost to the floor, ....... I often ask myself if plugins are doing very much at all.

My biggest gripe with all my recordings (besides the actual singing) is that they seem metallic, almost electronic.


I don't do that. I sing into an open mic on a stand in the room. Of course, to each his own. The blanket mutes the room.... I like the room.

If you don't like the sound of your own voice, you need to keep working on the process. There's a sweet spot that you have to find. Most folks can sing well enough. Listen to Tom Waite and Willie Nelson among others who really don't have a superb voice, but none the less, stuck with it and pushed through the barriers and became singers who set new levels on the bar to success and singing.


You can find my music at:
www.herbhartley.com
Add nothing that adds nothing to the music.
You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both.

The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Go To

Link Copied to Clipboard
ChatPG

Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.

ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.

PG Music News
XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!

XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!

The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!

Ready to take your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 experience to the next level? Now’s the perfect time! Expand your style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs—packed with a wide variety of genres to inspire your next musical creation.

What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?

XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!

Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!

Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.

Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!

Mac 2025 Special Upgrade Offers Extended Until August 15th!

It's not too late to upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® and save! We've extended our special until August 15, 2025!

We've added many major new features to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, including advanced AI tools like the amazing BB Stem Splitter and AI Lyrics Generator, as well as VST3 plugin support, and Equalize Temp. Plus, there’s a new one-stop MIDI Patches Picker with over 1,100 MIDI patches to choose from, all neatly categorized by GM numbers. The MultiPicker Library is enhanced with tabs for the SongPicker, MIDI Patch Picker, Chord Builder, AI Lyrics Generator, and Song Titles Browser, and the tabs are organized into logical groups. The Audiophile Edition is enhanced with FLAC files , which are 60% smaller than AIFF files while maintaining identical audio quality, and now ships on a fast 1TB SSD, and much more!

Check out all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® here:

Purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac during our special to save up to 50% off your upgrade purchase and receive a FREE BONUS PAK of amazing new Add-ons. These include the 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK, Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana, Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes, MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano, Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7, Playable RealTracks Set 4, RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark, and more!

Upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and add 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and 20 RealStyles, FLAC Files for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster, MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster, Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8, and RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe.
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs!

New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2025!

We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!

Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!

Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.

Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles

Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)

And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.

You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.

Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!

The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!

Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!

With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!

These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!

This Free Bonus PAK includes:

  • The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK: -For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles. -For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles. -For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
  • Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
  • Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
  • Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
  • Playable RealTracks Set 4
  • RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
  • SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
  • 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.

Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:

  • 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
  • FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
  • Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
  • Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
  • Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
  • RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe

Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!

We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!

We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!

If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!

Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.

Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!

Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!

We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!

In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!

All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!

Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Forum Statistics
Forums58
Topics84,642
Posts782,242
Members39,711
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
Newest Members
Silver180, GamophVex, Larry Mac, Marco P, DFW
39,711 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
MarioD 174
WaoBand 120
rsdean 113
Al-David 111
DC Ron 103
dcuny 88
Noel96 71
Today's Birthdays
acorvazzmusic17, mgbchuck, WienSam
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5