Originally Posted By: Pat Marr
Formerly a daily forum participant, I don't post very often anymore because the forum has become so confrontational. I don't like confrontation, so I usually opt out of participation.


I've heard several people saying the same thing. It would be easy for me to say, "that seems to be more our society today" but, in all reality, that doesn't have to be that way here. I have missed your comments Pat.

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This topic is important enough to venture out of the shadows.

I think trying to divide the forum into good guys and bad guys then suggesting the bad guys go away is not the best solution. Dividing people generally leads to flame wars as both groups try to dominate and win. It also tends toward some form of speech or activity suppression that groups impose on one another ("don't dump a bunch of songs" or "Don't keep bumping songs back to the top") neither of which is a PGMusic rule.


I have to say; I haven't been here as much, however, it seems there has been a bit of a reset. The posts over the last few days seem civil from what I can tell. Fingers crossed. Perhaps, it has been a learning lesson. I know it has been for me. When the "Pat Marr's" stop posting; it's time to reflect a bit.

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I think what worked in the past in many forums is to cultivate a culture of open communication where ideas are discussed without attacking those who present the ideas. I've noticed that forums which allow Ad Hominem attacks pretty much always implode or turn into shark dens where only the most persuasive communicator's opinion is tolerated and everybody else has to get in line or get bullied.


When ideas are discussed without personal attacks (open or passive aggressive) it has the effect of uniting rather than dividing. Studies show that consensus based decisions tend to eliminate dissention, because it isn't consensus until everyone buys in.

My 2 cents.


Right on. I have looked at my part in this and have decided to "chill out" a bit. David Snyder and I had a great conversation about many things. The big take away for me was about the showcase. It's a showcase. It's not there for critique unless stated as so. I honestly, and this is SO stupid, thought I was helping by my statements. I have never once thought a song in there has been crap AT ALL. I am all for learning and supporting people. I would bet, a number of my comments would not have people feeling that way. THAT rubbed some people the wrong way...and rightfully so.

Lesson learned from me. I'm not saying I had a big impact on the forum...lol...not by a LONG shot. I'm just taking accountability for my part in any of it. It seems others have too.

I blame the WHOLE thing on the removal of the joke thread. wink

Thanks for stepping up and saying something Pat.

Hey look...two cents! smile

Chad (Hope that makes it easier)

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