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Hi, I am one of the people rather concerned about MS doing the forced update to their Win10 operating system. I know one person who refuses to use any Windows operating system and now we have a video below with another convert away from windows. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTIySM6tfwwHe believes they are doing it to slow the machine down. This is something that had not occurred to me but I would not be surprised. Any plans on writing a BIAB for Linux? I use to know it well. I am also seriously considering moving my notebook back to Win7. If I find BIAB running slower I will definitely do it. Thanks, John
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I've been doing the automatic updates since they were started. No problems what-so-ever except those created by me.
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I had Windows 10 but upgraded to Windows 7 and don't have any problems.
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Yes, when I got my desktop machine I did the same (set it from Win10 back to Win7). I noticed the windows updates were taking more than overnight to complete so I turned them off. I have had no problems with any of my software on that machine. Because I refuse to leave my machine running for days I just shut my notebook off while the updates are running. It took more than 2 weeks for the Windows 10 update to complete even though the notebook many times ran for a full hour during this 2 weeks. They call it a service. I call it a virus. You would think they would be smart enough to tell you what they think is so important in their updates and why they take so long (what are they hiding). If BIAB and one other software would run on Linux I would switch back to Linux.
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There is a Reaper version for Linux, but Biab/RealBand needs Wine.
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The other software is ms-access. It is tricky to run under wine apparently. Related link. https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1065674For now I will see if the BIAB runs okay during my live jams on the notebook which runs Win10. My concern is another update coming in during a live jam. I could turn off the internet maybe but what if it is downloaded and starts forcing its install. I guess I will find out eventually if this ever becomes a problem.
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Thanks Pipeline. I will check them out soon. John
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If/when Win 10 goes to a monthly payment then I will convert all of my Internet computers to Linux. I have used Linux before on an old XP computer and it is a good OS. My music computer will remain Windows because most of my music software programs will not run on Linux.
My boss calls me "the computer".
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I have used Linux before on an old XP computer and it is a good OS. I have read that unix operating systems (I assume that includes Linux) have been known to run flawlessly for years (no need to restart them to clean up memory like you need to do with Windows). I don't know anything about drag and drop and point and click using Linux. All I ever did was command line programming (shell programming using bash, sed & awk). That area is extremely powerful. In windows you need the MKS toolkit to do some of those things using regular expressions.
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As soon as a critical mass switches to linux or unix the malware authors will target them and they will require continuous updates too.
I had updates by windows to Win3.1, Win95, Win98, Win7, Win8 and now Win10.
I also had updates to Mac system 6, 7, 8, 9 and various updates to OSX.
On the other hand, my trusty XP stage computer, which never-ever goes on-line is still cranking on Service Pack 1.
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I put together a website on a Linux machine using a VPS. I am not sure if this can be done on a home machine but there is a technique that makes it impossible to hack. Prior to that you needed to use the 30+ character password technique. I used this impenetrable method only once with some help from the experts on a php site but it certainly gave me piece of mind. That was over 3 years ago. I can't remember the name for the technique but I would remember it if I saw it. It eliminated the need for a fire wall if I remember correctly. I would have to go back to all my notes for a while to refresh my memory on all this (Not a priority at the moment).
Of course a virus picked up from software you download is a different animal. One of my former friends (a computer department manager at one point) use to believe that the anti-virus companies actually create the viruses (or some of them). I can't speak to that but I would not be all that surprised. It would be very hard to prove.
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Mac OS X is UNIX, it's rock solid, you can install it on your Windows PC as Mac is now using Intel Windows hardware that they sell for a hell of a lot more (Cult Marketing). So just go here https://www.tonymacx86.com/ and you can install it on another drive on your PC. The only problem is they change things every week then applications don't run and developers are forever reprogramming apps for different versions of Mac, if they just left it alone it would be fine, they had Rosetta one week that ran old Mac PowerPC apps on the new Windows Intel hardware, then got rid of it the next week. Mac has gone through all the species of Cats and Mountain Ranges OS's while in that time Windows has had 1 OS that still runs Win95 apps up to Win10 32 and 64bit with Compatibility Mode.
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Well said, Pipeline.
The Mac environment continues to deliver fast moving targets.
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Using Windows since v. 3.0, and never had a problem with updates.
I've made over two THOUSAND performances with a Win laptop, starting with XP, then 7, 8.1 and now 10.
If you know what you're doing, Win has always been a valid OS for music, both live and in the studio.
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I've made over two THOUSAND performances with a Win laptop, starting with XP, then 7, 8.1 and now 10. Two thousand peformances is a lot of performances. Are these live performances with BIAB?
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I'm curious to know if Windows 10 requires you to be on-line to use it?... Also does newer versions of Biab require you to be on-line to use them? I'm running an older version of Biab (2010) on a Surface Pro 4 with Windows 10... Its not connected to the Internet so it never updates... Win 10 & Biab seems to work OK... and I only use Linux for the Internet activities... Just wondering?
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Hi Jim,
Neither Windows, or Band-in-a-Box, require an internet connection.
Since most Windows updates are related to security, I'd say they're not quite as important if you're not online.
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I gig for a living. I started computer music with an Atari/ST and a Mac Classic ][ because I hated DOS.
I upgraded Macs up to OSX and I'm still using Windows as my primary computer.
I really do not see an advantage to Mac. It has an equal amount of troubles, they are just mostly different ones.
I'm not a fan of either, they are just tools to get the job done, and both of these tools are slightly flawed.
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Hi Jim,
Neither Windows, or Band-in-a-Box, require an internet connection.
Since most Windows updates are related to security, I'd say they're not quite as important if you're not online.
Thanks
Kent
PG Music Thanks for the speedy reply... Maybe others who wish to avoid problems with Win 10 updates messing up the music Pcs will find this as a possible solution.
Jim
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