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Indeed David. I feel like a goat in a bunch of sheep. I purchased BIAB 2018 and ended up here. Never meaning to ruffle any feathers.
The Top 100 challenge led me to looking into the billboard charts.(Which I never concerned myself with before) The word challenge woke me up. And here I am. I wasn't inspired by the songs themselves only the challenge. I did manage to write five tunes from all of this...six if you count the cloak I did of the number one song. Forums seem like rivers...you throw your stuff out there and it bobs for a little while and floats away.
I myself soon will retire back to my place. I have learned in a short time that because I am white I am a racist. And I have learned that black people can use the "N" word and sell it to my white children and my white grand children..but they and I may not use the word. I do seek to create a hit but then what is a hit? One man's hit is another man's Sh.. I do need some advice. How does one get the song name on a post to connect to the song page?
Write on my friend...As Ozzy sang "See you on the other side"
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I have learned in a short time that because I am white I am a racist. I don't see where anyone called you a racist. And I have learned that black people can use the "N" word and sell it to my white children and my white grand children..but they and I may not use the word. And, again, why in the world would you even want to? I hope you do write a hit! But being resentful about some artists being able to use a hate-filled word prolly ain't your ticket.  But who knows? It is a free country so give it a try!
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The thing is I don't want to use the "N" word and the thing is I don't like the word being sold and used by anyone...I hate that word.
But It seems that the word is becoming cool in my grand children's vocabulary because they hear it in popular songs these days, but you say they are not allowed to use it. It is weak minds that gather gain from trash. It is hypocritical to throw the word at people and say "You can hear but you can't say it." One song says the word 128 times. I didn't create the word and I don't and will not use it, not because you tell me I can't but because I hate the word. I see a lot of division in society today and I think there are some good lyrics inside all of this....that notion may even give birth to a hit.
This is a Biab forum and this is the last I will discuss this.
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Guys, I think most of us on this forum are adults, that is the problem with hit songs, we like true music. I think that if Spotify, Amazon, itunes would focus some on the adult generation, they could still sale music to us. I would buy songs that are like the forum here puts out and many of my Soundcloud friends write. The market is still here, just not being used. I dont need to buy a song from the 70's that I already have, they only want to sell us old songs, we can write and record new songs that are just as good or better than what we grew up with. A hell of a lot better than the crap that is being sold for hits now. Cliff
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Guys, I think most of us on this forum are adults, that is the problem with hit songs, we like true music. I think that if Spotify, Amazon, itunes would focus some on the adult generation, they could still sale music to us. I would buy songs that are like the forum here puts out and many of my Soundcloud friends write. The market is still here, just not being used. I dont need to buy a song from the 70's that I already have, they only want to sell us old songs, we can write and record new songs that are just as good or better than what we grew up with. A hell of a lot better than the crap that is being sold for hits now. Cliff I noticed you said "most of us on this forum are adults." Realize, I may not qualify.  But are you buying or just saying you would? That is the big question that is easily answered. Ad up ALL the money you spent on songs you purchased last year. Compare that to someone who consumes what is on the charts or even the college music scene. I don't know this; but am guessing they probably spend more than you do. As a business, that's what they look at. Period. Not should's or would's, reality. But there is GREAT news... It doesn't have to be on the charts for you to buy it. There are songs in whatever genre you like, that are new songs, available for purchase right now. Ask some of the other members of the forum and you will find some that seek out what they like and will tell you it's more available now than ever. There is no shortage of new music in any genre. There's also no shortage of people willing to complain that music isn't what it used to be; and that they don't make it like they used to. They do though! I find that fascinating.
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Guys, I think most of us on this forum are adults, that is the problem with hit songs, we like true music. I think that if Spotify, Amazon, itunes would focus some on the adult generation, they could still sale music to us. I would buy songs that are like the forum here puts out and many of my Soundcloud friends write. The market is still here, just not being used. I dont need to buy a song from the 70's that I already have, they only want to sell us old songs, we can write and record new songs that are just as good or better than what we grew up with. A hell of a lot better than the crap that is being sold for hits now. Cliff Ah, "true music". I remember my parents telling me in the 70s that my favorite music was not good like their music from the 50s. And their parents told them their music wasn't music at all since it was not like their favorite big band stuff. To each his own. And if you're serious about buying new music like that on the forums, below are just a few forum folks who'd prolly sell you a CD or accept a $10 donation for downloading their songs! - https://www.janiceandbud.com/- http://stephenwyoung.com/- http://www.floydjane.com/- https://soundcloud.com/bob-buford
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Ok, I do not spend money on the new stuff period, and will not, and i already own the white album several times over. That is not what I am talking about, yes I do buy songs as downloads from artists that I like, I am saying that the mainstream could be gunned towards the ADULT audience with good effect if songs were pushed that we like. But we have our songs that we try to promote ourselves and it is difficult to do. If you make a living selling your downloads good you are the exception. I am saying that we could do better given a better shot by the outlets. Look on the adds for new music, no way they are trying to sell anything to most of us, but, it could be done.
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Ok, I do not spend money on the new stuff period, and will not, and i already own the white album several times over. That is not what I am talking about, yes I do buy songs as downloads from artists that I like, I am saying that the mainstream could be gunned towards the ADULT audience with good effect if songs were pushed that we like. But we have our songs that we try to promote ourselves and it is difficult to do. If you make a living selling your downloads good you are the exception. I am saying that we could do better given a better shot by the outlets. Look on the adds for new music, no way they are trying to sell anything to most of us, but, it could be done. I hear ya but I remain unconvinced that there is a large market for the older styles of music. As you said, I also already have the white album (on vinyl, 8-track, cassette, and CD!) And it is still great music so I still listen to it from time to time. Add to that my Pink Floyd collection, my Jethro Tull records, Black Sabbath, Yes, Moody Blues, Led Zeppelin, ZZTop and on and on and on...and I quickly realize I have way more than enough excellent music to last me the rest of my life! I still buy a new album from time to time but not nearly like I used to. Couple that with the fact that we have a million options vying for our free time that we didn't have when we were kids. Hundreds of TV channels instead of the 2 or 3 we used to have. Thousands of radio programs playing every kind of music you can imagine whereas we had just a handful of local stations when I was young. We have computers we can use to make our own music or play awesome games. And then there is The Internet with its almost unlimited access to free music and information and news and art and books and so on! So, with all those options that we never used to have it is not at all surprising to me that selling records is almost impossible for all but a few top artists. Some folks might see my assessment as cynical or negative but I see it as simple realism. And, I still occasionally buy a lottery ticket for fun because "what if"! But I wouldn't bet my house or my income on it. And that is kinda how I see the odds of getting a hit record these days...like hitting the lottery.
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Couple that with the fact that we have a million options vying for our free time that we didn't have when we were kids. Hundreds of TV channels instead of the 2 or 3 we used to have. Thousands of radio programs playing every kind of music you can imagine whereas we had just a handful of local stations when I was young. We have computers we can use to make our own music or play awesome games. And then there is The Internet with its almost unlimited access to free music and information and news and art and books and so on!
So, with all those options that we never used to have it is not at all surprising to me that selling records is almost impossible for all but a few top artists.
....is kinda how I see the odds of getting a hit record these days...like hitting the lottery.
This is kinda it, what J3 said. Same in the book publishing world (the traditional world of which is going up in flames.) 4,000, yes, FOUR THOUSAND new books hit Kindle EVERY DAY. I used to download those daily freebies with great titles, then found they were so horrible I couldn't read them. All except for Tie Me Up: Part V, The Hardest Spanking Ever. That was good. There is just SO MUCH STUFF. I think the last thing I spent big money on was the Hilary Hahn collection, just because when I sit in my den at the end of a nerve racking day and listen to her I can close my eyes and go to heaven. And if she comes to play nearby I will shell out $500 for a front row seat in a second, because she takes me to heaven. The math and money equation is really easy for me as spender. Take me to heaven and I will pay you. No jokes J3!!!!!! I am warning you!!!!
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Ah, "true music". I remember my parents telling me in the 70s that my favorite music was not good like their music from the 50s. And their parents told them their music wasn't music at all since it was not like their favorite big band stuff. To each his own. And if you're serious about buying new music like that on the forums, below are just a few forum folks who'd prolly sell you a CD or accept a $10 donation for downloading their songs! - https://www.janiceandbud.com/- http://stephenwyoung.com/- http://www.floydjane.com/- https://soundcloud.com/bob-bufordThanks for the shoutout FWIW, we finally gave in and have an album coming out on Amazon, Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora and others. "Couple that with the fact that we have a million options vying for our free time that we didn't have when we were kids. Hundreds of TV channels instead of the 2 or 3 we used to have. Thousands of radio programs playing every kind of music you can imagine whereas we had just a handful of local stations when I was young. We have computers we can use to make our own music or play awesome games. And then there is The Internet with its almost unlimited access to free music and information and news and art and books and so on!" I couldn't agree more with you regarding your comments about all the options. I find it amusing to be talking about the White Album from 50 years ago. I was 22 at the time the time of it's release. And 50 years ago back from then folks were still playing songs on cylinders! Time passes and things do change. Again, as I alluded to in an above response, with all the options available we can carve out our little niche of interest and peacefully reside in it. Nobody is forcing or even pushing me to listen to anything that I do not care to check out. Heck, Wilco seems like modern rock to me We are having fun exploring that large Americana tent and have been listening to Americana since folks started calling it that 25 years ago. I've loved multiple genres of music since the 50's when I used to fall asleep listening to all night radio 50,000 watt stations. You'd hear rockabilly, country, western swing, blues, some raunchy blues (yes, very raunchy - sorta like what's upsetting folks now on a relative basis ), R&B and more. Then all the stations became compartmentalized. And now? I can turn to Apple Music anytime and hear curated playlists or radio stations that play a mixture of everything we like. Back to the future. All is good. Bud
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Take me to heaven and I will pay you. No jokes J3!!!!!! I am warning you!!!! But...but...but...you lobbed me a nice soft one over the net...
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Yeah, I got off the subject of making a #1 hit severely. I think the fact that Bud brought up , you can pay 10 bucks a month and hear everything, is pretty much the fact and end game. Yep cant argue that. I would love to have had spotify years ago.
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Some really good discussion happening here. Someone above mentioned that it is hard for artists to sell records these days - but on the contrary, the vinyl market has majorly boomed in the last 6-8 years. I would go so far as to say 90% of my favourite modern artists have vinyl released. I personally have a record collection of around 50 spanning both old and new music. I'd even say records are more common in my generation than discs now, as everyone has their digital media in song files on their phones, computers, iPads, etc.
As for generations not understanding each other's music - that is undeniable. My parents are pretty open minded about modern music, but I listen to a lot of rap and hip hop and they just can't understand the appeal. And that is okay - they aren't the target audience. Similarly, I don't understand the appeal of a lot of older artists. The appeal of artists like Bon Jovi, Def Leppard and AC/DC goes right over my head.
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Deryk,
Are you publicly declaring that you think Highway to Hell and Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap aren't the greatest songs ever written???
How can we ever...trust...anything anyone says ever again? First it was the G7 summit, now this.
Oh man. I am so bummed.
We are surely on that highway now.
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Deryk,
Are you publicly declaring that you think Highway to Hell and Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap aren't the greatest songs ever written???
How can we ever...trust...anything anyone says ever again? First it was the G7 summit, now this.
Oh man. I am so bummed.
We are surely on that highway now.
Haha, this gave me a good chuckle! Maybe it's because my mom used to blast Highway to Hell all the time when I was young and it drove me mad. It all has its place at the end of the day - thanks for the good laugh though!
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