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Re: Getting my old synth into the chain. Tangmo #490993 09/14/18 02:36 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,382 K Kent - PG Music PG Music Staff
Kent - PG Music PG Music Staff K Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,382	Hi, I'd say the Scarlett Solo is a fine interface (Focusrite stuff tends to be rock solid), it just won't be able to record the K2000 in stereo, since it only has one line input. That's its only disadvantage. As long as you're OK with recording the synth in mono, all you need is the MIDI interface. If you want to be able record it in stereo, an interface with two inputs that can handle line level would be required. For what it's worth, I do tend to record my synths in mono. I only need stereo in for my drum machine and reverb pedal. Thanks Kent PG Music

Re: Getting my old synth into the chain. Tangmo #490997 09/14/18 02:51 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 21,657 Mi., USA rharv Veteran
rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 21,657 Mi., USA	There are 2 separate paths you need to be concerned about 1. Getting the MIDI from the computer to the synth (so it knows what to do) 2. Recording/monitoring the Audio created by the synth back into the computer as part of the song One is a MIDI Out signal, the other is an Audio In signal. Two different drivers in many situations. It's very possible that a USB MIDI adapter allows getting the MIDI to the synth, and a different Audio Interface allows getting the audio signal (from the synth) back in. Make your sound your own! .. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome

Re: Getting my old synth into the chain. Tangmo #491015 09/14/18 06:43 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2018 Posts: 1,378 Tangmo OP Expert
OP Tangmo Expert Joined: Aug 2018 Posts: 1,378	https://www.ebay.com/p/Batige-Dual-2-RCA-Male-Plug-to-XLR-Adapter-Spiltter-Patch-Cable-Cord-Audio/21004206847?iid=253849516742&chn=ps IF...and it remains a big if...the XRL input on the Scarlett Solo will actually receive a stereo signal, this may be the "rigging" I could use. There was nothing I could find on the Focusrite page that addressed this question, and I found no easy way to contact them. Doesn't the LR in XLR stand for Left/Right? And there was a mention in some of the FAQ about using a stereo mic, but not in the context of my concern. There are two other glimmers of hope I will cling to until dismally disappointed. 1. The possibility of a single patch-cord to XLR adapter that may allow both channels to go to the two Ins--one to the 1/4" and the other to the XLR. 2. There is a "digital out" on the KURZ that looks quite a bit like an XLR connection. I suspect it was intended to go to a DAT or similar, but I don't know what actually leaves (analog audio, or digitized audio, or something else.) Anyway, I've contacted Sweetwater and hope to get some kind of answer soon. Thanks for the kind replies. BIAB 2021 Audiophile. Windows 10 64bit. Songwriter, lyricist, composer(?) loving all styles. Some pre-BIAB music from Farfetched Tangmo Band's first CD. https://alonetone.com/tangmo/playlists/close-to-the-ground

Re: Getting my old synth into the chain. Kent - PG Music #491017 09/14/18 06:49 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2018 Posts: 1,378 Tangmo OP Expert
OP Tangmo Expert Joined: Aug 2018 Posts: 1,378	Originally Posted By: Kent - PG Music Hi, I'd say the Scarlett Solo is a fine interface (Focusrite stuff tends to be rock solid), it just won't be able to record the K2000 in stereo, since it only has one line input. That's its only disadvantage. As long as you're OK with recording the synth in mono, all you need is the MIDI interface. If you want to be able record it in stereo, an interface with two inputs that can handle line level would be required. For what it's worth, I do tend to record my synths in mono. I only need stereo in for my drum machine and reverb pedal. Thanks Kent PG Music I'll be happy enough to record the synth in mono. It was only drums and certain pianos that I valued the stereo highly. I'll almost certainly use Real Drums to replace midi as I'm not that into "beats". And I don't do too many piano songs that would benefit from stereo and can use soft-synths. BIAB 2021 Audiophile. Windows 10 64bit. Songwriter, lyricist, composer(?) loving all styles. Some pre-BIAB music from Farfetched Tangmo Band's first CD. https://alonetone.com/tangmo/playlists/close-to-the-ground

Re: Getting my old synth into the chain. rharv #491039 09/15/18 03:05 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 2,378 Lake Keowee, South Carolina MountainSide Veteran
MountainSide Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 2,378 Lake Keowee, South Carolina	Tangomo, I do what you're trying to do all the time with many synth modules as you can see from my "sig". Please review Rharv's comment again, you are dealing with two signal paths. One is MIDI, the other audio. You will either need two units (one audio and 1 MIDI) to handle this or a combination unit like the Focusrite units that handle both MIDI and audio. You connect the MIDI out of the Kurz unit to the MIDI in of the audio/MIDI interface and the MIDI in of the Kurz to the MIDI out of the interface. The interface then connects to your computer via USB. The audio outs of the Kurz units connects to the audio ins of the interface. Depending on if you want to run stereo out from the Kurz and also depending on how many other audio devices you hook up to your system will dictate how many inputs you need on the audio interface. In my case, I have to use two separate units, audio and MIDI, only because I am using multiple synth units all at the same time. Win11, Intel i7 7700K 4.2Ghz, 32Gb RAM, 2x1Tb HD, 500Gb NVMe, BIAB/RB 2024, MOTU 828MK3 audio, MOTU Midi Express, Yamaha Montage 7, DX7II, TX802, Motif XS Rack, Roland Fantom XR Rack, Oberheim Matrix 1000, VoiceLive3 Extreme, Kontakt 6, SampleTank 4.3

Re: Getting my old synth into the chain. MountainSide #491060 09/15/18 04:38 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,980 Hamlin NY	MountainSide, he may not need a MIDI interface. Using a 5 pin to USB MIDI adapter he would connect the MIDI part of the equation directly into his computer. Tangmo, the https://www.ebay.com/p/Batige-Dual-2-RCA-Male-Plug-to-XLR-Adapter-Spiltter-Patch-Cable-Cord-Audio/21004206847?iid=253849516742&chn=ps will merge both left and right channels into a mono signal. If mono is ok this then this leaves your other input for you guitar or vocal. (note - if your synth has a mono out then just plug it into your interface - no need to buy anything) If you want stereo then you will need an adapter like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/XLR-M-Male-2-to-RCA-M-Male-2-Stereo-3ft-Adapter-Converter-Changer-Plug-Cable/152965606238?hash=item239d75eb5e:g:3n0AAOxyQ45Q~5Jc:sc:USPSFirstClass!14420!US!-1 This will use both of your inputs. BUT if you use a DAW you can record your stereo synth on one track, unplug your synth and plug in your guitar and/or mic and record on another track. (note that you can also record as many tracks as you want using your synth, guitar or mic) It's only if you want to record everything simultaneously that you will need to buy a different interface. I just posted a selfie and all of the responses were get well soon! 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Getting my old synth into the chain. Tangmo #491131 09/15/18 01:54 PM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA R rockstar_not Veteran
rockstar_not Veteran R Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA	A single xlr is mono. My Songs, photos, writing,etc. My Sound Cloud

Re: Getting my old synth into the chain. Tangmo #491186 09/16/18 05:58 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 17 D Dave Baay Enthusiast
Dave Baay Enthusiast D Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 17	The left channel output on a hardware synth will generally be set up (and labeled) as a mono out when nothing is plugged into the right channel, so there's no need to merge stereo from the synth to the mono input if that's the way you decide to go. However, I would strongly advocate for recording in stereo from the Kurzweil. Aside from the fact that some instruments like Piano will have been sampled in stereo, and drum sets will have panning built in, a lot of patches will have stereo FX like chorus, phasing/flanging, multitap delays, Lesle simulations, etc. that are an integral part of the sound and that you'll want to be able to capture to take advantage of all the work that sound designers did.

Re: Getting my old synth into the chain. Tangmo #492673 09/25/18 09:59 AM Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
Joined: Aug 2018 Posts: 1,378 Tangmo OP Expert
OP Tangmo Expert Joined: Aug 2018 Posts: 1,378	I sincerely appreciate ALL the feedback from you guys. I get easily frustrated with lots of buying decisions, and musical gear is always a tricky compromise when you have a budget. So I took some time off to get my head gear-clear and consider what I really want to do in my unique situation. (I live full-time a good hour to hour-and-a-half from the so-called Central Business District of Bangkok where shopping is plentiful IF you know where to go, but some items are more expensive IF you can even find them at all.) So for reasons related to the future, I'm going to be returning the Scarlett Solo. I'm going to stay within their family of products and get a unit with two matched inputs for stereo. Also going for midi I/O for the future when I might want a keyboard/controller. I can't "play", but I can noodle, keep pretty good time, and edit. Here's the unit. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Scarlet2i4G2--focusrite-scarlett-2i4 I've already had to call the missus to let her know the account has taken some unexpected hits. I'm going to wait till I see her to tell her about the raise, however. LOL. She might call off the hit-man and I might get extra-lucky. I sure hope so. Thanks again, all. I really, really appreciate it. Here's a link to my sales guy's music. https://soundcloud.com/fieldsandfortresses Last edited by Tangmo; 09/25/18 10:21 AM. BIAB 2021 Audiophile. Windows 10 64bit. Songwriter, lyricist, composer(?) loving all styles. Some pre-BIAB music from Farfetched Tangmo Band's first CD. https://alonetone.com/tangmo/playlists/close-to-the-ground

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