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But I then questioned if BiaB wants to or should have the capabilities to also integrate all of these other quality products.
After all, it's purpose is to be a music accompaniment program. I don't think its primary intention is to teach music theory, or to tutor music rudiments, or to advise what chords are best used in any particular circumstance. There are many other products that can do this now that users can take advantage of separately.
VideoTrack, Your posts are always so gentle and helpful I do not want to come across as argumentative but BIAB has had educational roots and offerings since its inception, and continues to add more and more educational components, lessons, and so forth with every release. Also, a college down the road uses BIAB to teach jazz and composition to its music students. The chord builder tool in and of itself is a jazz teacher if you have the tiniest bit of theory under your belt--and the educational applications are limitless. If you don't want to use Dm7, for example, it will give you 20 other options or so--I don't know the exact count, but it's a lot. So I do not think it is fair to say BIAB is primarily an accompaniment program though it CAN do that, and does it marvelously, but it does a lot of other things too--like helping you to build an exciting song. Without an exciting song and production, accompaniment, per se will not get you very far. And not to badger (because that is not my point) but I have seen a lot of stuff out there and I have not seen any programs that are remotely on the level of BIAB for purposes of self-education in chord progressions, composition and arrangement. Which ones are you talking about? I am asking sincerely because I would like to check them out.
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Thank you for your insight and comments. They are worthy of consideration.
The point I am alluding to is that Band In A Box cannot be expected to be Band In a Box and also deliver all features that other not-so-similar products 'individually' deliver.
My example is this: Why should it be challenged because it doesn't also do what 'xyz' or 'abc' other programs can already do?
What it does is great, exceptional in fact, no question. If it could do more that would be a bonus, again no question.
I, for one would like it to do some things better. But we are wrong to expect it to do everything that some other separate products can do, and to criticise it if it cannot. That's all.
It's like picking the best features of every luxury car and condemning another model because it doesn't include every one of those features.
We cannot unfairly judge the product just because it doesn't do everything we would individually like it to deliver.
Anyone is free to develop and introduce their own product if another product doesn't cut it for them.
I hope this clarifies the intention of my post.
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VideoTrack "My example is this: Why should it be challenged because it doesn't also do what 'xyz' or 'abc' other programs can already do?" Because that is exactly what progress is all about. It is all about challenges  My argument is this: If PG does not have proper resources to progress, or their "progress" is sufficient for some folks here, at least what they (PG) can do is allow for development from third parties like: Scripting
Proper VST support That way all people who are satisfied with current state of development can happily stay with that realm and nothing will trigger their emotions, since all the "extra" items will be available by choice, not mandatory. Everybody is happy
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My argument is this: If PG does not have proper resources to progress, or their "progress" is sufficient for some folks here, at least what they (PG) can do is allow for development from third parties like: If BIAB were open source, I would agree with you; however, as proprietary software, while this is something they could do, they would also have to consider the quality control aspects that third parties bring to their product, branding issues, etc. That's up to them, and there's no requirement they do that at all. And over the years, there have been some third-party add-ons (BBFinder by Stefano Lazzaretto, Song and Style Librarian by Denis Ladoceur, Song and Style Launcher by Stefan Kuske); granted, many of these have fallen by the wayside, but they were there. Look at the stuff Pipeline has done; would it be nice to have some of that incorporated natively? Sure, but not our decision to make. Look at the GUI recommendations made by VideoTrack (Trevor). All possibilities, but all just suggestions. As the consumer, you choose whether to buy it or not. If it doesn't meet your needs, don't buy it. If it doesn't do something you want it to do, then suggest it or find something else that does. It's like saying Apple should open their OS to all PC hardware, because you don't like the model Apple provides. I'm not saying it couldn't be done or even if it shouldn't be done, but that's a business decision for PGMusic to make based on their business model, not your idea of what their business model should be. Make suggestions and challenge them; maybe they'll come to pass, maybe they won't. But just complaining and griping because you want a feature and they didn't immediately jump on it isn't productive. We can provide input to them, but in the end, it's their company and their decisions. I suspect PGMusic will be around for many years to come, as they've got a pretty smart guy with innovative ideas at the helm. Some pan out great (RealTracks, RealDrums); some not so much (VideoTracks), but he's not afraid to try new stuff. And if there were no revenue stream, none of that would happen.
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"It's like saying Apple should open their OS to all PC hardware, because you don't like the model Apple provides."
You are right about it, that is why I will never buy Apple product if I really (really!) do not need it.
"Make suggestions and challenge them; maybe they'll come to pass, maybe they won't."
I was under impression that this is exactly what this is about.
"As the consumer, you choose whether to buy it or not. "
Hopefully they will make changes for me to consider next update (or the one after)
P.S. And as a consumer, I believe I might have an opinion or two.... or that is a controlled substance at PG?
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