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Now that the TTS-1 is no longer available in 32-bit Kent - I think it would be awesome if PGMusic could work a deal of some sort with BandLab to obtain the right to bundle the 32-bit TTS-1 with BIAB/RealBand/PTPA. They should have the code; they've just chosen not to support 32-bit anymore. Big +1. Great suggestion.
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I have an SC-8850 and when the VA first came out, besides the issues of the 32/64 bit thing and a few others nits that Roland should FIX (they won't) - there is no sound difference. Playing the same .mid files and A/B'ed in real time there is no difference. So as a GM module it's great - but price is way too high - and since I already have that "GM plus" set in the SC-8850 no need to buy it again at that price just tot have convince of not reaching over and turning on the SC-8850.
I noted all this in a earlier review when it came out - it's here somewhere if you search for it.
BTW the VA only contains the SC8820 sounds (which include all those older sets) NOT the SC-58850 which is the Big brother of the 8820. Besides having more "higher bank" sounds and a front panel interface and a few more stereo samples - there is no real sound difference between the 8820 and 8850.
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Here's another vid I found doing a direct comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPHmj577pngYou are totally correct, they sound virtually identical and this vid even shows more voices. These are the choir oohh's and ahh's and sound pretty good. There are requests for those RT's too. I would suspect that ST3 has better overall instrument sounds but since this VA is completely GS and Biab will go into GS mode... Ah man, what's another $125 between friends eh? Bob
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Just a final thought on this.
If anyone really, really wanted the Roland GM/GS sounds contained in SW SC VA (aka the 88 pro, 8820, 8850'ish sounds) go to eBay, Reverb, Craigs list, yard sales, or pawn shops and find a SC-8820 for about the same price $125 or LESS! or get an easier to use SC-8850 (it was a front panel for sound selection and programming) for about $100 more (and if lucky close to $125) - you might just want that front panel convenience. Or a newer Roland SD-50 module it at least has an organic Win 7 driver so it might work under Win 10 as well if not than like Fantom XR it is probably easily hackable for Win 10 use. I don't want to get into the Ketron GM versus Roland GM discussion - different sounds of mostly same things but built for different users and purposes.
MIDI hardware will NOT be subject to any 32/64-bit issues, GUI issues, and other SW quirks - and as long as you have a 5 PIN MIDI I/O of any kind (yes USB on PC side to 5 pin MIDI I/O is fine) you are ready to "rock."
Truth be told there is one hardware "quirk" - that nagging need for 5-pin MIDI under Win 10 or even Win 7 (unless you are a geek who has hacked your way to a working serial (RS-232) or USB interfaces). There hasn't been a Roland USB driver for these since Windows 98 nor a serial driver since Windows XP (a little hacking I got serial to work in Win 7 - I'm still working on one for Win 10).
Also if you look around you can still find the GS Advanced Editor 4 (and it does work under Win 10) for these units .
Larry
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I have two Ketrons... The SD1000 and the SD4. The SD4 has some horrendous issues with BIAB as per the last ROM update, and support from Ketron is nearly non-existent. That being said, they all have GREAT acoustic sounds (especially saxophones.)
It CAN be tricky to record with an external sound module with BIAB. I have played with various USB/analog mixers for years to get the Ketron sounds mixed with RealTracks to render audio.
The SD4 is great for live performances, especially because you can layer 4 voices into chords.
The SD1000 is USB, whereas the SD4 is old school MIDI connectors.
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As I started this thread I'd like to thank everyone, especially Kent for their input.
The 64bit version does work perfectly using jBridge, there is however one little problem in that it only shows Part 1 in the part list when looking at the Sound Canvas within BB,yet when I tried the 32bit demo everything was visible, but no sound of course. Also if you fiddle to much with it it can cause BB to freeze, so patch changes etc are best done from the main mixer window.
Anyway despite the price I went ahead and bought it, and I have to say I love BIAB Midi again!
Cheers,
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Hi Bob,
I haven't used the VSC VA since 2016, but it was definitely GS, and I'm pretty sure it had multiple GS banks, since it had the entire sound library of multiple Sound Canvas modules.
Thanks
Kent
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Had the chance to hear this sound canvas, v 1,1,3. Must say i've heard far better; sounds really cheapo compared to other oldies like Hypersonic 2, and Halion Sonic SE seems to me still one of the good ones. F
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Correct Frank but we're talking about GM/GS mode here. That means Biab will simply work with it automatically with no fiddling with setting up the instruments manually.
ST3 sounds awesome too but I don't use it with Biab, it's for a DAW after I've created a basic arrangement in Biab using a GM synth.
Bob
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