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A feature I was very excited to try was:
Practice Window->Transpose Songs->Each Chorus

For example, it is great training to transpose a 12 bar blues around the circle of fifths as it plays.

However it didn't work as I hoped.

After every chorus there is a lengthy interruption whilst BIAB re-renders the next 12 bars. And during the rendering process things sometimes went crazy and transposed some tracks more than others, or multiple times per chorus.

What I expected was the entire song including all transpositions to be rendered before starting playback. I tried rendering the song to video as a workaround but the key changes were ignored so I got 12 choruses in same key.

I'm using realstyles but I'm sure it's the same with midi-styles, perhaps lesser so.

Rather disappointing as it makes the feature quite useless, but perhaps, hopefully. I'm missing some secret setting! smile

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Delay, if any, would be far less with MIDI.

As a workaround, you could make a song yourself by copying it many times and transposing the parts in sections as needed. Once regenerated, the whole song would play smoothly.

Just for curiosity, how fast is your machine? What is the single-core score from the free utility, Geekbench?


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Hi Matt, thanks, I saw in the manual it's possible to copy a section multiple times and transpose it. That's certainly an option, but obviously less flexible and convenient.

I've got a decent DAW PC, no point giving specs or benchmarks, even with fastest PC there will not be smooth transition between choruses.

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one more related observation.

it's not actually transpose you want if you're practicing around circle of 5ths. You want a key change. Seems like BIAB doesn't change the key of the song but only transposes the notes, you can end up with some weird chord names, I just saw A# in the key of A.

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Ok..it might be time to revisit this with the developers. For example, to avoid rendering time between choruses, would you accept a long initial delay as the whole song is regenerated?


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Totally acceptable Matt and what I was expecting smile

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Since you're using RealTracks open the Preferences window ( Ctrl + E ) then open the RealTracks window. Disable the checkmark option to "Speed up generation of RealTracks' and reduce the tempo/stretch quality.

While in the Preferences window also open the Arrange window. Disable "Natural Arrangements". If you desire, you can also set how tempo increases while using the woodshed feature.

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Originally Posted By: konaboy
A feature I was very excited to try was:
Practice Window->Transpose Songs->Each Chorus

For example, it is great training to transpose a 12 bar blues around the circle of fifths as it plays.

However it didn't work as I hoped.

After every chorus there is a lengthy interruption whilst BIAB re-renders the next 12 bars. And during the rendering process things sometimes went crazy and transposed some tracks more than others, or multiple times per chorus.

What I expected was the entire song including all transpositions to be rendered before starting playback. I tried rendering the song to video as a workaround but the key changes were ignored so I got 12 choruses in same key.

I'm using realstyles but I'm sure it's the same with midi-styles, perhaps lesser so.

Rather disappointing as it makes the feature quite useless, but perhaps, hopefully. I'm missing some secret setting! smile


This is a known bug that has been reported for years.
This feature is simply not working.

http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=51111&Number=441823#Post441823


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