Hi, I must be missing something with the video tutorials on this feature. I am trying to drag and drop a BiaB song into Reaper. I have engaged the DAW mode but nothing wants to move. Any assistance greatly appreciated.
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1. Reduce the size of both BIAB and the DAW so that both fit on the screen.
(To do this with BIAB, drag the left edge in.)
2. On the track name at the very top of the screen, left click and drag the track across to the DAW. Release the mouse button.
(The mouse cursor will appear as a round circle with a slash in it until you reach the DAW. Also, it's not possible to drag the tracks from the mixer.)
If you want to drag all tracks across to your DAW, click and drag the "Master" track.
Thanks Noel, I am using Reaper (just purchased this week), and never used a DAW before. When I try and drag an instrument directly into Reaper, the error message is "could not create wave file". I tried the same process into Sonar (free version) with the same message. I did find a setting in the DAW option in BiaB and changed the export from WAV to MP3 but got the same message. ??
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The "I could not create wav file" error suggests that you have not got the "Use VSTi/DXi synth" option active under MIDI Driver options. (#2 on the image below)
One of the quirks of BIAB is that the VSTi/DXI setting must be active to create WAV files.
Also, I know that Coyote Forte has been giving you issues. If that's still the case, for the drag 'n' drop process, simply select Coyote WT as the VSTi (#3).
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1. I notice that for the VSTi/DXi in the MIDI Drivers, you have Coyote Forte selected. Click on this and change it to Coyote WT (it might make a difference given the problems you've had with Coyote Forte).
2. Are you running BIAB in "Run as administrator" mode? To do this, exist BIAB, right-click on the shortcut and, from the menu that appears, select "Run as administrator" to start the program.
To set this option permanently...
1. Right-click on BIAB's shortcut
2. Select "Properties"
3. Under the "Compatibility" tab, select "Run as administrator".
Thanks for persisting. Yes I do run as Administrator and have saved that option via properties. Another video and not sure why the message came up re loading something for Coyote but I pressed yes and nothing seemed to happen. Same message for Coyote Forte. I'm not sure whether I have ever used midi in BiaB and certainly not through that box that pops up presumably to select an instrument. I honestly know nothing about that area. Not having a lot of luck but thanks.
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Before that.... I don’t need Jbridge for this to happen? Reaper is the 64bit version ?..
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I notice this time that you have changed your audio driver to WAS. I suspect that the WAS audio driver is not friendly with drag and drop because it only lets one application produce sound at a time.
Set BIAB as MME and Reaper as ASIO. That has always been a wining combination for me.
I'm not sure, I use Reaper 64 bit and the drag and drop works fine. I do have J-Bridge installed too. This runs in the background when needed.
I've just tried a drag 'n' drop, it worked fine. I have Task Manager open and could not see J-Bridge kick in at all.
I don't think I've mentioned this before, but the WAS driver that BIAB installs as the default, has created numerous issues for people. Like Dan, above, I run BIAB with MME. That's a very stable driver.
Hi again, been out all day but have now reset to factory settings and to no avail. Have set the midi settings to your instructions Noel, will post a video tomorrow to check. Think I should contact PG and ask them to view the post. No response when I try and drag and drop. Only one last thought....did I have to download or use any of these VSTi's or DXI's because I haven't been into that area of the program. Maybe I'll stick to Real tracks unfortunately.
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No, there's no need to download DXi or VSTi plugins. Coyote WT comes with BIAB.
As I mentioned in a post earlier in the thread, to create wav files, it's necessary that a VSTi/DXi is selected. This is true whether Realtracks or MIDI is used for the tracks.
Coyote WT is simply the easiest VSTi to select and the one least likely to cause problems (while we're problem solving).
Out of curiosity...
When you right-click on a track that contains a Realtrack and then select "Track Actions | Save track as wav file", can you create a Realtrack wav?
Regards, Noel
P.S. If you contact PG Music, do make sure to include the URL of this thread. There's a lot of useful information here and your videos are excellent.
Back into it........... Think these settings are ok. I have tried the DAW option settings at factory settings and nothing changed in the old interface. I can save tracks as a WAV file as shown. I do get 2 files saved here, not sure what the other one is, but I can drag the WAV file into reaper and play them so I guess if all else fails this won't take much more time than dragging directly into a DAW.
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The fact that you can save a wav file using the "Track Actions" method indicates that everything in BIAB is running as it should and is working properly.
That the drag and drop to Reaper doesn't work suggests that the problem might well be because your version of Reaper is 64 bit.
You mentioned this some time back and I wasn't sure if it would impact. Because I have j-bridge which runs automatically when needed, it might have kicked in even though I didn't see any evidence that it had.
Hopefully Kent at PG Music will read this thread and pass on some thoughts. He's got lots of experience and knows much more than I do.
Thanks Noel, have asked PG to look at the forum so will wait til tomorrow and perhaps in the meantime Inshoukd just buy Jbridge and see. I would have thought however, according to the tutorial video, I should be able to drag and drop into a file, not necessarily a DAW.
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Looking back over you earlier video clips (which I've found really useful), I might be wrong but it looks like you've selected "DAW Mode" before you drag to Reaper.
I have never used this mode and, as I mentioned early on, it's not necessary.
With this in mind...
1. do not enter DAW mode
2. see if it's possible to drag and drop without this
Regards, Noel
P.S. All you drag and drop settings seem good to go.
It's perfectly normal for the mouse pointer to turn into the circle with the line across it, until you've dragged to an area that you can drop a WAV file into. Next, please try this:
Drag one of the track names directly to your desktop, instead of to Reaper. Does that work?
If it does, try dragging a track name to the "WAV" section of the Drop station near the top-left corner of Band-in-a-Box (just under Master). If it turns green after a minute or so, drag that green WAV box to Reaper or to your desktop. Let's see if that works.
These tests will give us an idea of where the problem is coming from.
Like Noel mentioned, it's not really important to be in DAW Plugin Mode, though it shouldn't cause any problems either. All DAW Plugin Mode does is make the BIAB window smaller and force it to stay on top. Drag and Drop works fine without it.
Also, that Synthesizer/Sound Card setting in MIDI/Audio Driver Setup is only for choosing drum mappings, so isn't really relevant if you use RealDrums, and since the Coyote WT and Forte are both General MIDI-compatible, you can just leave it set to General MIDI Misc.
Thanks Kent for getting involved. As you can see from this video I can't drag onto the desktop nor can I drag to the WAV section on the left hand side. You will see the error messages appear. I can however right click on any instrument including master and render a WAV file to the desktop.
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How picky are these computers......problem resolved. Thanks Noel and Kent for hanging in there, much appreciated. Don
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Speaking of folders, I would suggest first standardizing the workflow by creating a separate subfolder for each song. Create a folder in a directory that has space for storage. If you do not have an HD used for storage, a Western Electric Passport will do, even a thumb drive. In that folder, create a subfolder for the song. Let's say the project (or, set) folder is "October," and the name of the song is "Halloween." Create a folder in a safe storage place. Name it "October." Create a shortcut to the desktop for "October." Your song folders go here. Open "October" an add a subfolder named "Halloween. From there, it is a matter of preference how many subfolders will be in that "Halloween" folder. Certainly, one of those subfolders will be "BiaB." That folder will have the BiaB project and any wavs, mp3s, files associated with that song. A note of caution: when the location of a file is changed, always open, view, and save, so that file will not get confused as to where the file assets are located or where to store the files when you save or create them. I suggest another folder called "Reaper." (That BiaB folder can fill up.) Open Reaper, click new project, name it "Halloween", and save it to the desktop. Then drag it into the "Halloween" file. Reboot the file system by opening and closing the Reaper file in its new location. (Desktop is your friend.) Now, then, you are ready to start the process of building the Reaper rendition. Start by dragging Band in a Box WAV rendered WAV files that you want to use in Reaper from that "BaiB" folder into the "Reaper" folder. If you've done it right, those WAV files will show up in Reaper's explorer panel when you open the project. Drag the wavz to the timelines. Say you have another WAV somewhere that you want to use. Copy and past it into October/Halloween/Reaper/. Say you bounce or render a Reaper project. It will ask you to name it, and automatically save it to the directory of origin, which is "Halloween." Maybe this will help. (Last note: you don't want to be dragging assets from all over hell and gone into project software of any kind. Even if the project software should have some kind of extraordinary search and rescue ability, such as BaiB definitly has, the sorting capacity of the human mind has limitations.)
What I do I have about 6 or so Folders. I have them on a 1TB drive. One is BBstuff where the BB SGU, MGU (projects) live. Another is BIABwav this is where the wav files go into separate folders for each song. Another called Reaper Projects. Another Reaper Renders. Sonar Projects and Sonar Audio. And a folder with the MP3s that I actually use for backing and load onto my laptop.
I end up with lots of copies. However once I am satisfied with my keeper song I clean up. For example, each Reaper render keeps a new version. I keep the versions for a while. I might listen to the song a few days later and notice something I don’t like or a glitch I didn’t pick up earlier. Rarely an earlier version was better. Once I am satisfied I go through the Reaper Renders and delete the extras. I normally keep the BIAB wav files unless there is an issue with a file. Really I have multiple copies of stuff more than I need but I also have heaps of room for it all.
I have occasionally gone back from Reaper to loading the SGU into RealBand and changing a part or maybe BB to edit the song (particularly endings) or add a new instrument. In some cases I find another Style I like better and start again.
I might create a new SGU file with a heap of part changes and lots of 4 bars with holds etc to construct drum fills or endings. I can then pull them into Reaper chop, change and add bits.
All sounds a lot of work when you write it like this but it is really quite simple. Quite a bit of it all is automated making the process easy to manage.
My thoughts Tony
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Thanks for that, Tony. That's another approach, which, if it works for you, is the one to stick with, refine, and develop. I got away from project folders; by that I mean a folder titled, say, "BiaB Projects," although at one time, those kinds of folders were seen all the time. Adobe Premiere, for example, was rushed to market before either format conversion or asset management was adequate. Today, it is a different story. Not long ago, if file formats didn't match exactly, you'd get an error message. Same thing for asset locations. There was none of this searching for files. The file system I use is probably not uncommon. Each song is a project. Each associated program or asset is in that project folder. Mind you, not long ago, the editing programs took forever to reboot. Today, it's no time at all. It is a different world; but still, the user can do his part. The issue is files dragged and dropped into Reaper being rejected. I'll be interested in hearing if moving those files to the explorer pane solved the problem.
The issue is files dragged and dropped into Reaper being rejected. I'll be interested in hearing if moving those files to the explorer pane solved the problem.
I have never had an issue with files being rejected. Having said that I only drag .wav files in. I usually pull midi into Sonar (if I am using midi at all) where I have more experience with midi and better synths and tools already to go. I then also render the midi to wav before pulling them into Reaper.
Tony
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Thanks for clarifying that, Tony. I see that with the help of the experts on this forum, the issue was troubleshot and remedied. Aren't these folks the greatest?
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