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Hi fellows. I have seen several requests for freezing parts of composition... The only workaround I found is: as soon as I get certain bars to play how I want them to play I export them as waves and then do sushi work in DAW... It would be nice if BIAB supported several independent "freeze" scenarios. For example you have 6 different "frozen" sections and if you do not like how one of these sound, you change /regenerate that specific part even if it is in the middle, without effecting all others... Hopefully I am making a point here  If this specific topic ( independent "frozen" sections) was discussed before in request forum, please let me know as I do not want to repeat exact same thing. If not, I will think for a couple of days on it and will write up the request. Thanks.
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Correct me if I am wrong but isn't this the reciprocal of regenerating only certain measures in BiaB, much like you can do in RB?
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If this specific topic (independent "frozen" sections) was discussed before in request forum, please let me know as I do not want to repeat exact same thing. If not, I will think for a couple of days on it and will write up the request. This has to be one of the top five wish-list requests for the past decade. "...regenerate selected bars only". The work around is RB which does have this feature. Or moving tracks into your DAW (which is what many of us do.)
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Dan, I think what I am asking for even a bit more involved.
regenerating + freezing those sections independently. So you can have 2-3-4 etc.. sections all with different re-generations frozen. And lets say even after, if you want to regenerate section #3, you do just that, without "un-freezing" or changing others...
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Misha, Have you looked at Realband? Once a track is generated in Realband, it is the equivalent of BIAB's 'frozen'. Sections of this track can then be regenerated. It doesn't have to be the same instrument, either. If you to to the link below and look in the 'Intermediate' section... https://www.pgmusic.com/videos.realband.htm...you'll find a videoclip called "Realband: Generating sections of Realtrack". Regards, Noel
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Noel, Mario Thank you for pointing RB. I will be truthful. I do not like RB. I think it made sense when DAWs were expensive and here you get 2 for the price of one...Sure is a deal. Now, with all the wealth of DAWs available for free or at very fair price, I find it a bit painful making myself re-learn something that might or might not survive in not distant future. There is no substitute for BIAB. I put my prejudice aside, and no matter how some things are annoying me, I will still be using it just because it will do good things for me I can avoid RB partial-regeneration feature by simply gather audio-files and learn how to work fast with multiple audio files in DAW of choice. Time wise it would be very comparable. Regardless of my ventures, it would be nice if BIAB had the feature of freezing/regenerating sections. As Dan noted, it was asked for years... I definitely support that request, but if the sections could be dealt with independently, it would be an icing on the cake.
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I can avoid RB partial-regeneration feature by simply gather audio-files and learn how to work fast with multiple audio files in DAW of choice. Time wise it would be very comparable.
Misha, As always, it's your choice totally where you work. To be honest, though, I think you are losing a very valuable resource by not considering Realband. When I write a song, I always create it in BIAB. I then open it in Realband and use a few of Realband's unique features to my advantage before taking the tracks to my DAW (Reaper). Here's why I love Realband... 1. It is not just a replacement DAW. While is can be used as such, there no other DAW on the planet that has full functionality and full integration with BIAB. 2. When I move to RB for song enhancement, all I need do is open my BIAB MGU/SGU file and generate the song. 3. I can regenerate sections of Realtrack that I am not all that happy with. 4. The "Multriff" feature in Realband allows for multiple generations of the same Realtrack (up to 7). Most importantly, though, each of these generations is musically independent in that none of the Realtrack phrases will align between the different RTs. - When I get to my DAW, I like to have multiple generations of each RT or MIDI track so that I can create the best compiled final track. Multiriff is fantastic for this. For example: with Soloists, I usually have seven different tracks; with Rhythm (and most other) instruments, I usually have three different generations; with Bass, I usually have two tracks. This is usually around 15 or so tracks that I take to my DAW. While I can generate all these in BIAB, it's a slow process. In RB it's much more straightforward.
5. It's easier to create an acidized loop in Realband if I need any for the song in Reaper. 6. Each track is visible and I can see exactly which region I'm working on (unlike BIAB which only ever shows the track name). 7. Realband also works more effectively with unusual time signatures than BIAB. ...just my 2 cents worth Regards, Noel
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Hi Misha
From what I have read:
1: It has been pointed out that BiaB does not do what you want
2: RealBand can do what you want
3: You do not like RealBand
So it seems you have a solution but don't want to use it. That is absolutely your choice.
I wish BiaB did have better partial track management but it doesn't (currently), so I use alternative methods.
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Noel, thank you for the input! You answers are always fulfilling. I promise to give RB another try (take #21 :)) I will wait just a bit longer, to see what Santa brings. Maybe Santa will follow the direction of wind on his sleigh... VideoTrack, I did not start the thread to brag , actually I wanted to know if that particular option of independent section "management" / freezing was requested, so I do not double the request. Best regards, Misha.
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Misha,
Learning a few fundamentals in Realband is worth persevering with. (The program is simply different from BIAB.)
Make sure that you sent Realband to "Run as administrator" by right-clicking on the startup shortcut, selecting 'Properties' from the options that appear and (under the 'Compatibility' tab) setting "run as admin".
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... actually I wanted to know if that particular option of independent section "management" / freezing was requested ...
A fair question. Regenerating sections in BIAB has certainly been requested, but to my knowledge, freezing sections (and not the whole track) has not. It's a logical corollary to the request for partial track regeneration. I prefer to stay in BIAB as long as possible, and this request, as expanded, would be very helpful toward doing that. +1 In case I am correct, I put this in the Wishlist.
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Misha
We don't know what might be available in any new release of BiaB so I was only trying to help with your current identified problem.
RealBand is not that difficult to use but we do notice from time to time some people are reluctant to get comfortable with it. I agree with Noel, it really is worthwhile exploring it. It's not that difficult to use once you find your way around, it can do so much more than BiaB, and it's the only DAW in existence that integrates with BiaB features.
Matt has posted your idea in the Wish List. I've given it a +1
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Biab MultiRiffs an Easier Way You can do it this way until PG do something about it: Generate and solo the first section in track 1 to your liking then mute it with F5 where the good ends and Freeze the track. Solo Track 2 (and Audio) Un-mute F5 at that bar, Generate the next section to your liking then mute it with F5 where the good ends and Freeze the track. Solo Track 3 (and Audio) Un-mute F5 at that bar, Generate the next section to your liking then mute it with F5 where the good ends and Freeze the track. Solo Track 4 (and Audio) Un-mute F5 at that bar...... Now mute the Audio Track and Drag Render the master to get your RealTrack. If you can't use RB or don't like it REATRAK REAPER, It gives you a way to integrate Biab to a powerful do anything DAW, It will import the chords and tracks from BBMac BBWin (BBLin ?) to the DAW REAPER 32/64 Mac Win Lin.
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VideoTrack, I know you are trying to help from your heart. I was not trying to sound harsh, sorry if it seemed that way.
Matt, thank you for posting on wish list and supporting!!
I know RB has some features that are important and unique in sense how it is integrated with BIAB.
I get the philosophy behind Noel's workflow. My biggest issue is the time. I am not ready yet to make full fledged songs. I do sketches for the most part, just to get the idea out. BIAB does most of things for me. I consider this (not be able to part freeze / regenerate) annoyance, not a deal breaker. If it ever gets implemented, a lot of precious time would be saved.
RB is not about "difficulty level" it is not that hard. It is getting into the workflow between 3 programs.
I am sure some (or most) people here would not agree with me, but if it was up to me I would merge RB/BIAB into one program with modular approach...Choose what things to display and work with / hide all others. So it works as one echo system...
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Pipeline, did PG hired you as their secret agent? You always find unusual solutions Thank you! Will try that. P.S. I do not want to start a new thread, if it is an easy one, can somebody please answer: I had a friend visiting yesterday, a musician. I was trying to get him into BIAB and he asked me: how many different re-generations/variety of single RT track can have?... I could not answer that. Best regards, Misha.
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If I understand the question correctly, it depends on the number of variations of RealTracks that have actually been recorded. This number might not be the same for every recorded RealTrack. So the total number of possible variations is never guaranteed to be a consistent value. It depends on the specific RealTrack.
Also, the phrasing can change depending on the key that the RealTrack is recorded in.
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With RealBand you can generate it up beat by beat if you like, and you will have even more variations if you have "Avoid Transpositions in RealTraks" unchecked in Song Settings. You also have 12key RealTracks now.
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I don’t think we users can answer this question, other than to say, lots.
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Thank you! I will forward this thread to him.
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