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Hi all,

Would someone with UltraPAK please do me a big favor and tell me which Style Set

#3161 Guitar, Baritone Electric, Rhythm BluesyPopHeldEmbelBrentPhaser Ev 100

for the new Style _ANGELS is in? It may well be in 319 where _ANGELS is located, but
it's showing up as set 800 N/A on my system so I'm wondering if an earlier RT install
was faulty.

Thanks for any help.

Regards,
Dave Clark

Dave, it's used in three different Styles:

_ANGELS RT 319 2018/11
Memo: This swing-16 soft rock RealStyle features a modern pedal steel playing with lots of effects. Electric bass, electric guitar, baritone guitar, and drums join in. -Examples: Fade In-Out, I Know, Genre "Intensity" Score=70/100
_ANGELS.STY. Angels Mod Pedal Steel Soft Rock
All RealTracks. Quintet. Tempo=90 (80-110)
Instruments: El.Bass, PedalSteel, Guitar, El.Guitar, Drums
RD: PopSyncSw16^02-a:ClosedHat, Snare, b:Ride, Snare :Shannon Forrest
RT1417: Bass, Electric, RootsRock Ev 100 , Craig Young
RT3205: Pedal Steel, Background RockGrittyCoolEddy Sw16 090 , Eddy Dunlap
RT3161: Guitar, Baritone Electric, Rhythm BluesyPopHeldEmbelBrentPhaser Ev 100 , Brent Mason
RT1684: Guitar, Electric, Rhythm PopPromiseCrispHeld Ev16 100 , Darin Favorite

_GIMLET Bonus Pak 2018/10
Memo: This light rock style features a baritone guitar with a phaser. Electric bass, electric guitar, acoustic guitar, and drums are also used. -Examples: I'm A Raven, Sleepy Lagoon, Genre "Intensity" Score=75/100
_GIMLET.STY. Gimlet Phaser Baritone Lite Rock
All RealTracks. Quintet. Tempo=100 (85-120)
Instruments: El.Bass, El.Guitar, Ac.Guitar, Guitar, Drums
RD: FunkyGroove60s^5-a: QuarterHat FloorTom , b: 8ths Hat, Snare :Kenneth Blevins
RT2613: Bass, Electric, FunkPumpingOffbeat8ths Ev 100 , Freddie Washington
RT1574: Guitar, Electric, Rhythm Soul60sLowSteady Ev 110 , Andy Reiss
RT2930: Guitar, Acoustic, Rhythm FolkRock8thsBrent Ev 100 , Brent Mason
RT3161: Guitar, Baritone Electric, Rhythm BluesyPopHeldEmbelBrentPhaser Ev 100 , Brent Mason

_PHASES Bonus Pak 2018/10
Memo: A medium-tempo bluesy pop Americana style with phased baritone guitar. Electric piano, electric guitar, acoustic bass, and drums join in. -Examples: I'm A Raven, Sleepy Lagoon, Genre "Intensity" Score=65/100
_PHASES.STY. Phases Baritone Americana Pop
All RealTracks. Quintet. Tempo=100 (85-120)
Instruments: Ac.Bass, El.Piano, El.Guitar, Guitar, Drums
RD: FunkyGroove60s^5-a: QuarterHat FloorTom , b: 8ths Hat, Snare :Kenneth Blevins
RT2903: Bass, Acoustic, BluesyPopByron Ev 100 , Byron House
RT2906: Piano, ElectricVintage, Rhythm BluesyPopMike Ev 100 , Mike Rojas
RT2905: Guitar, Electric, Rhythm BrightBluesyPopColin Ev 100 , Colin Linden
RT3161: Guitar, Baritone Electric, Rhythm BluesyPopHeldEmbelBrentPhaser Ev 100 , Brent Mason

Hi VideoTrack,

Thanks for your reply. However I apparently wasn't clear, for which I apologize.

In the Assign RealTracks to Track (for example, after loading _ANGELS, Right-Click for track Guitar 1 in Mixer as if to change the RealTrack to show Select Tracks -> Select RealTracks [in Style: 3161:Guitar, ...]), what is in the Set column of the resulting display? Mine shows 800 which is basically "N/A." In the Mixer, this shows up in green text as "N/A 3161:Guitar, ..." but when something is missing, I don't know how to determine which installer it's in. It doesn't seem to be in 315-319.

Regards,
Dave Clark

Update: I just searched PG Music web page:

https://www.pgmusic.com/realtracks.all.php?os=win

for "BluesyPopHeld" and got nothing. So it appears that #3161 isn't in any standard RealTrack set 1-328. I'm missing several of these RealTracks and now suspect that several of the new styles in the annual upgrade 2019 are missing the necessary RealTracks. On Sunday, PG Music did a test install and found that everything was fine, but they may not have done the install on a clean machine, or they may have included everything (i.e. all bonus paks) rather than restrict the installs to UltraPAK.

Ok, sorry, I follow now.

Mine shows set 800 in the RealTracks picker also. Hmmmm.

Hi VideoTrack,

Thanks again. Yeah, that's not good. Others I found missing are the RTs listed here:

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=505739#Post505739

To determine which instrument it is, you can load the style and look for N/A then see if it's also 800. Sorry that I didn't record the actual instrument except for #3157 Fiddle, and I just checked the full list for that one but didn't see it in RT 1 - 328 either.

Regards,
Dave Clark

Update: All of the RTs listed at the above link are missing from RT 1 - 328 according to the full list.

I checked and have 21 tracks listed under set #800:

49pak list from the PG site, alas not by numbers:

2019 49-PAK Contents - 40 Unreleased RealTracks

There are 40 amazing bonus RealTracks available with our 2019 49-PAK! This includes more great Latin and Funk RealTracks & RealDrums (15) with amazing drummers & percussionists Alex Acuna, Sput Searight, and Keita Ogawa, as well as bassist Alex Al and guitarist Bob Lanzetti! There are also many bonus Americana styles, with even more Mandola and 5-String Fiddle (4) as well as amazing baritone electric guitar (6) from RealTracks favorite Brent Mason, and drums by Bryan Owings (1). There are also many more Celtic guitar styles, including DADGAD-tuning acoustic guitars (2), nylon & 12-string guitars (4), and the beautiful "Celtic Songwriter" styles (2). In addition to that, we also have "Cinematic Metal" guitar styles (2) from Nashville stalwart Darin Favorite, and "Mountain 16ths" (4) with Mandola, 5-string fiddle, and acoustic guitar from Andy Leftwich and Quinn Bachand.

Bass, Acoustic, AmericanaWaltzByron Sw 120
Fiddle, Background AmericanaWaltzAndy Sw 120
Guitar, Electric, Rhythm AmericanaGrittyWaltzBrent Sw 120
Guitar, Electric, Rhythm AmericanaTremoloWaltzColin Sw 120
FusionFastAlex^
FusionFastAlexPerc^
LatinFunkAlex^
LatinFunkAlexPerc^
MerengueAlex^
MerengueAlexPerc^
Guitar, Electric, Rhythm RootsyFunkBob Ev16 110
Bass, Electric RootsyFunkAlex Ev16 110
RootsyFunkSput^
RootsyFunkPerc^
Fiddle, 5-string, Background AmericanaFolkCoolAndy Sw16 075
Mandola, Rhythm FolkRockNRollAndy Ev 120
Fiddle, 5-string, BackgroundSoloist FolkRockNRollAndy Ev 120
Mandola, Rhythm AmericanaMountain16thsAndy ev16 070
Fiddle, 5-string, Rhythm AmericanaMountain16thsPizzAndy ev16 070
Fiddle, 5-string, Rhythm AmericanaMountain16thsAndy ev16 070
FolkModernSw16^
Guitar, Baritone Electric, Rhythm AmericanaSlow16thsBrentFX Ev16
Guitar, Baritone Electric, Rhythm BluesyPopHeldEmbelBrentPhaser Ev 100
Guitar, Baritone Electric, Rhythm BluesyPopSteady8thsBrent Ev 100
Guitar, Baritone Electric, BackgroundSoloist RockabillyLicksBrent Sw 190
Guitar, Baritone Electric, BackgroundSoloist LowSlow12-8TremoloBrent Sw 040
Guitar, Baritone Electric, Rhythm Slow12-8ArpTremoloBrent Sw 040
Guitar, Acoustic, Rhythm Mountain16thsQuinn Ev16 070
Guitar, Acoustic, Rhythm CelticSongwriterQuinn Ev16 080
Guitar, 12-String Acoustic, Rhythm CelticSongwriterQuinn Ev16 080
FunkRock70s^
FunkRock70sPerc^
FunkRock70sSlow^
FunkRock70sSlow^
FunkBusySnare^
Guitar, Electric, Rhythm MetalLowChuggingDarin Ev16 080
Guitar, Electric, BackgroundSoloist MetalRiffingDarin Ev16 080
Guitar, Nylon, Fingerpicking CelticAir Ev 085
Guitar, 12-String Acoustic, Fingerpicking CelticAir Ev 085

Yes, we are using set "800" for the Bonus RealTracks, so you would find that in 2019_49PAK.

Thanks Andrew for that clarification.

Will all Bonus RealTracks use Set #800 or is this only for 2019_49PAK?

Hi all

I must say I find this marketing method a bit of con

Each year of late I buy the plus pack to bring my system up to date at a special offer introduction price of $99 ,only to find that if I really want all the latest stuff ,I have to spend half as much again on a 49 pack.
Why cant you get it all at once for some in-between price special ,surely this would be a more honest open and less misleading option.
No one likes felling they have been had surely.
Just my thoughts
Mike

Andrew,

Thanks for the clarification, but IMO if you advertise 202 new styles for the upgrade, these should be 202 complete styles. I feel that I'm buying a six-pack that has only five and a half full cans. New styles that are incomplete should not be included in the upgrade but instead sold as part of the 49PAKs if that is where some RTs are located.

Furthermore, it's taken four days to get an answer to a very simple question. Neither Cat from sales nor Ember from Technical Support knew that the styles were not complete, even though I had repeatedly asked if this was the case, i.e. are styles included in the annual upgrade that require RTs that are not included in the upgrade for 2019 or previous years, yes or no? I even asked this question in these forums, and no one answered definitively. (Noel did suggest the answer, but only suggested it.) If PG Music is selling incomplete styles in the upgrades EVERYONE should KNOW all about it, including customers.

In addition, instead of 800, these should say 49PAK or 2019_49PAK or something like that just as other RTs do.

Quite frankly, all the evidence I've seen shows that this is a big screwup on somebody's part. This certainly was not thought all the way through, and it's not been fully implemented.

Regards,
Dave Clark

Peace please ...

PG, stands for Gannon = Irish?

Lovely country, that Green Isle; here's a song starter for you, suitable for all them new Celtic RTs coming down on us from the Peter (Guinnes) allied emigrants hiding in Canada's outback ...

The story: Got me a pint of Guinness porter once served in a Murphy's brand glass in a Drogheda pub near the Northern Border back in the 70-ies, when when the IRA was still at it. This was on a New Years eve, when everybody should be happy.

Alas it did not feel quite right for someone, not me Scout's Honor, as there's an ever ongoing feud between Murphy's brand, and the Arthur Guinness lot, since God knows when from the ancient past.

So that someone started a fight, probably over that, who knows?. They still must be still busy at it today, i don't know.

BTW One of the fellow musicians was an accordion playing local Garda officer, and he moved us all safely to the kitchen in the back. The jam session went on there un hindered, and we all left the place a bit loaded from some more pints of Guinness in about 4 in the morning. Thus after hours, and the pub did not burn down ... F

That's an inappropriate analogy like most of them are, but for the moment, I'll go ahead with it: How would you feel if the fight went on for four days and that it could have been easily stopped one minute after it started by numerous people if they had been as properly trained as everyone assumed they were?

Dave, your points are fair! I have also felt deceived when they sold me a 49-PAK and then the following year included those same RealTracks in the "202 New RealTracks". I suspect they still do that but I have lost the interest to bother checking since I am generally satisfied with what I am getting in the actual new tracks.

To be fair, I don't think they are intending to deceive. I just think they are careless and a little too aggressive with the marketing hype.

so does that mean that all the bonuses and 49 packs I've missed will be included if I buy the ultrapak update, and 49 pack this year?

Bob,

Bonus RealTracks and 49 PAKs from past years ARE NOT automatically included when you purchase te UltraPAK update and the 49 pack released this year.

Confusion exists because some, but not all, RealTracks included in past bonuses and 49 packs were released more than once.

Xtra Styles are not supposed to include RealTracks included in prior bonus or 49 packs unless the RealTrack was later included in a RealTracks set or as a bonus with the current release. I believe an error was made including 3161 Guitar, Baritone Electric, Rhythm BluesyPopHeldEmbelBrentPhaser Ev 100 in the style.

You could ask PG if you can still buy older 49 and other PAKs from the past .... (40% off while before December 31st? )

Yep, the XTRA styles paks are styles only and do not include any RealTracks or RealDrums, but merely reference existing RTs/RDs that PGMusic has provided over the years.

6 more days for the sale period, they're worth it !